Syria-Downed Plane Turkish Provocation, Expert Says

SYRIA-DOWNED PLANE TURKISH PROVOCATION, EXPERT SAYS

PanARMENIAN.Net
June 28, 2012 – 20:54 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net – The official Ankara was the one to benefit from the
incident with a downed Turkish plane, which could help weaken Syrian
leadership’s position, according to a Turkish Studies expert.

As Levon Hovsepyan told a news conference, the incident may be
construed as a provocation on Turkish side.

“Even though the official Ankara hasn’t declared a war against
Damascus, Turkey is still interfering with Syria affairs through
supporting anti-regime rebels,” the expert said.

According to the expert, Syrian air defenses shot down the aircraft
in response to Turkey’s multiple violations of Syria’s airspace.

A Turkish jet was shot down by Syrian forces while flying solo and
unarmed 13 miles off the coast of Syria in international airspace
last week. However, Syria still maintains the aircraft was in Syrian
airspace when it shot down the plane.

Action In Front Of Court Building

ACTION IN FRONT OF COURT BUILDING

05:25 pm | Today | Social

The court postponed today’s trial for the youth activists of the
Armenian National Congress (HAK) due to the absence of prosecutor Hakob
Martirosyan and the youth activists’ defense attorney Stepan Voskanyan.

Prosecutor Hakob Martirosyan was supposed to read the accusatory speech
and mention how many years of imprisonment each youth would receive.

The next trial will be on July 11.

The HAK youth activists are holding a protest in front of the Kentron
and Nork-Marash general jurisdiction court with signs reading “Serzh’s
Arbitrary Court”, “Freedom to Tigran”, “Is the Court a Plaything for
Bandit Regime Leader?” and screams of “Freedom to Tigran”.

We remind that the youth HAK members are charged with clashing with
police officers near Swan Lake on 9 August 2011 and showing resistance.

Out the four activists, imprisonment as a measure of constraint has
been chosen for only Tigran Arakelyan.

http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2012/06/28/dataran

Former Milano Store Owner To Take Eminent Domain Case To European Co

FORMER MILANO STORE OWNER TO TAKE EMINENT DOMAIN CASE TO EUROPEAN COURT

news.am
14:00, June 27, 2012

Hovhannes Ghoukasyan, former owner of the Milano store in Yerevan,
says he will take his eminent domain case regarding the seizure of
is property by the government to the European Court of Human Rights.

Ghoukasyan says the government seized his property in 2009 but has
failed to construct anything of public value on the site since.

“Tell me what public value has been built there in the past four
years. They have done nothing with the property. The building has
collapsed, that’s all,” says Ghoukasyan who adds that he has given
up on defending his rights in the Armenian courts.

The law states that if the new property owners fail to begin work on
the project for which the land was appropriated in the first place,
the site must be returned to the original owner.

Existence Of Syrian Armenians Under Threat, Official Yerevan Must Ta

EXISTENCE OF SYRIAN ARMENIANS UNDER THREAT, OFFICIAL YEREVAN MUST TAKE ACTION – FORMER FM

news.am
June 27, 2012 | 14:09

YEREVAN.- Former Armenian FM, member of Prosperous Armenia Party Vartan
Oskanian considers existence of Syrian Armenians is under threat.

“Sixty thousand Armenians live in Syria, 45 thousand of them in
Aleppo. The community in Aleppo was the first Armenian community
formed after the Genocide, later its branches spread throughout the
Middle East,” he wrote on his Facebook.

On Tuesday Bashar al-Assad admitted Syria is in a state of war,
Oskanian said, adding that given the ethnic and religious system of
Syria, the country may be involved in a large-scale civil war.

“Being an Aleppo Armenian I am in touch with my friends and relatives.

Yesterday I learnt that not a single Armenian official visited Syria
within at least eight months,” he said, adding that the locals do
not feel support of the Motherland.

He called on official Yerevan to make certain moves to help Syrian
Armenians. Oskanian considers a representative of the Armenian
government must visit Aleppo to consolidate the local Armenian
organizations and elaborate a program on further steps.

Communities: Armenians In Egypt Recount Rich History

COMMUNITIES: ARMENIANS IN EGYPT RECOUNT RICH HISTORY

Alison Tahmizian Meuse
Wed, 27/06/2012 – 12:15

Photographed by Alison Tahmizian Meuse
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At a time when the citizenship of a candidate’s mother can disqualify
him from the presidency, it is nearly impossible to imagine an Armenian
holding the post of Egyptian prime minister.

However, Armenians made many important historical contributions
to Egyptian society. Ottoman-era Khedive Mohamed Ali hired them as
diplomats, commercial agents and technicians. Armenians and other
Ottoman citizens flocked to Egypt for opportunities under the ambitious
new ruler.

“Egypt was like the Gulf is today as far as traveling there to work,”
says Thomas Zakarian, a teacher in Heliopolis’ Nubarian School.

The reign of Mohamed Ali was not a unique chapter of diversity in
Egyptian history. Like the Ottoman period, the Fatimid and Mamluk eras
involved significant contributions of foreign peoples. Armenians were
builders of Bab Zuweila and seamstresses of the Kiswah (the Kaaba’s
covering), court photographers for Mohamed Ali and jewelers to King
Farouk. Today, they are a tight-knit community, integrated into the
fabric of Egypt.

Under Ali’s auspices, Armenians founded colleges of accounting,
engineering and translation during the mid-19th century. Mastery
of Ottoman Turkish and European languages made Armenians suitable
intermediaries to the West and favored by Ali as chief translators.

“Armenians were viewed as outsiders, but not as Europeans,” says
historian Mahmoud Sabit, who is of Armenian ancestry. They had a
knack for diplomacy and warfare; Fatimid and Mamluk armies employed
Armenians as heavy-armored cavalry.

Others were expert stonemasons. Armenian Muslim Badr al-Jamali, one
of seven Armenian Fatimid viziers, commissioned his kin to build Bab
al-Futuh, Bab al-Nasr and Bab Zuweila.

“The world then was not based on ethnicity, which is why outsiders
could have easily integrated in it,” Sabit said.

Primary school children attend the Sisvan School in the Port Said
refugee camp

It ended with the Ottomans

In the second half of the 19th century, the “Armenian Question”
was raised as Armenians in Ottoman Turkey demanded reforms. Sultan
Abdel Hamid II, fearing rising nationalism and European encroachment,
ordered pogroms against the minority.

When Istanbul’s mufti issued a fatwa supporting the massacres, labeling
Armenians as enemies of Islam, a counter-fatwa was issued by Al-Azhar.

Mohamed Refaat al-Imam, a local expert on the community and author
of “The Armenians in Egypt,” notes that this episode caused tension
between Istanbul and Ottoman Cairo.

In 1915, Ottoman authorities began a genocidal campaign against the
Armenians. Those who survived the massacres sought asylum in Syria,
Palestine and Egypt.

What Egypt had that other countries lacked was a pre-established
community able to aid, advocate for and employ the influx of refugees.

Average Armenians donated medicine and clothing to the survivors,
while industrial leaders provided employment – Armenian cigarette
factories alone hired thousands. The destitute newcomers were often
skilled craftsmen: jewelers, cobblers and tailors, who began anew in
the workshops of fellow Armenians.

The Armenian General Benevolent Union, founded in Cairo in 1906 with
Boghos Nubar at its helm, aided Armenians across the region. In
1915, it founded a school for 1,000 children in Port Said refugee
camp, which sheltered more than 4,200 refugees. Nubar and the union
headquarters later moved to Paris, where he advocated for Armenian
statehood at the 1919 Peace Conference. However, the betrayal of the
Allied Powers, the formation of modern Turkey, and the Soviet takeover
of the short-lived Armenian republic dashed lingering hopes for return.

Their exile would be permanent.

A community once composed of elite statesmen and merchants absorbed
thousands of refugees, whose presence made Armenian identity more
salient than ever. In cosmopolitan Alexandria and Cairo, lives were
rebuilt around schools, churches and clubs.

Rival Armenian political parties with divergent views on the newly
formed Soviet Armenia published daily newspapers and fought fiercely
for seats on the community council.

Refugees, who spoke Turkish in their native provinces, attended
Armenian schools. Plays, once performed in Turkish, were now strictly
in Armenian, Imam says. Armenian theater, dance troupes and music
thrived, while individuals such as portrait photographer Van Leo and
caricaturist Saroukhan rose to national prominence.

The overall prosperity of Egypt’s Armenians made them less
susceptible than other diaspora communities to a 1946 campaign
encouraging resettlement in Soviet Armenia. Of the 150,000 from the
Middle East who went, only 4,000 came from Egypt. Saroukhan, who
instructed a friend to send word on life behind the iron curtain,
received a glowing report – but it was written in red, the color
they had agreed would indicate distress. Stalin deported nationalist
Dashnak party members to Siberia on arrival.

As Armenians secured a foothold in the Egyptian economy, they left
their original neighborhoods of Bayn al-Surein and Dahir for upscale
downtown and Heliopolis. The community peaked at 17,188 people in
1917, according to government figures; church data puts their number
at 40,000 in 1947.

Constitutive Assembly of the AGBU, 1906, by caricaturist Saroukhan

To stay or to go

The 1961 nationalization program of President Gamal Abdel Nasser jolted
the community, the majority of which was engaged in the private sector.

The size of the community dwindled in that period, but not all felt
compelled to leave, choosing instead to adapt to the new landscape.

Among them was Joseph Matossian, then the chairman of Egypt’s Chamber
of Tobacco. Nasser greeted Matossian with a hug at a cigarette
exposition in 1961. Nasser, an ardent smoker of illegally smuggled
Kents, said if Matossian could make him a similar cigarette, he would
be their best client.

“Mr. President, your wishes are our orders,” he replied, creating
what is still Egypt’s most-consumed cheap cigarette, The Cleopatra.

“All the people who stayed here succeeded, and succeeded brilliantly –
especially after 1975, when the country opened,” says Hratch Mikaelian,
whose family business, the Reader’s Corner, evolved from a publications
distributor to a framing shop.

“The ones who left still have nostalgia for Egypt,” says Armen
Mazloumian, a physician. “They even have an Association of
Armenian-Egyptians in Canada and celebrate Sham al-Nessim.”

Others point out that those who left never returned, and emigration
slowed but never stopped. Of a 40-person choir from the late 1980s,
pianist Gassia Deuvletian says, “Now more than half are not here.”

Gerald Papazian, an Armenian-Egyptian living in Paris, argues this
nostalgia has nothing to do with modern Egypt.

“It was their Egypt, their clubs, and the way Egypt was at that time,”
Papazian says.

Boghos Nubar, the diplomat, the philanthropist and the businessman

Integrating but not assimilating

The most important tradition Armenians keep is their language,
its biggest guarantor of identity. Many parents urge their children
to marry an Armenian – whether from Egypt, the Levant or Armenia –
but intermarriage with Christian Egyptians is generally accepted.

“The Egyptian community evolved also. There is a very cool, open
Egyptian youth, and they integrate very easily with us, Mikaelian
says. “That’s why the risk of having mixed marriages increases.”

Children of such unions can and do learn Armenian through community
institutions. Sirarpi, a kindergarten teacher, points out that children
who don’t come from Armenian-speaking homes anxiously strive to catch
up with their peers.

With the emergence of independent Armenia and the Internet, many
Egyptian-Armenians find it easier to reconnect with their roots.

Today, half a century after Armenians’ mass exodus from the country,
the community is again taking stock of its place in a changing Egypt.

“Although we will not say it out loud, we are whispering about the
elusive ‘Plan B’ for leaving,” Aline Kazanjian blogs. She says her
decision will not be based on alcohol or dress codes, but opportunities
for her children.

“It’s important for Egyptian-Armenians to stay in Egypt. … It’s
part of our identity,” says Arto Kalishian, one of a handful of young
Armenians involved in political campaigns, whether for liberals or
moderate Islamists.

“To be public and active is tough for Armenians because we are a
small community. It’s up to the individual,” he says.

The community generally avoids politics, an aversion stemming not
only from previous persecution, but also gratefulness to the countries
that welcomed them. Parsegh Kezelian, a jeweler, recalls his father’s
advice: “Never be against the government – any government.” During
parliamentary elections, some Armenians were shocked their peers
didn’t know they were citizens.

Many say the double-edged sword of being foreign keeps the community
intact.

“We are born in Egypt, we have the identity cards, we serve in
the military – nothing remains. But how you feel matters,” says
Zaven Lylozian, editor of an Armenian newspaper. “I am not Ahmed or
George – I am Zaven. The name is the address of your identity. You
are not Egyptian.”

Turkish-born Nubar Pasha, Sabit’s ancestor, after serving five
Egyptian rulers over five decades, spent his final years between
Paris and Cairo, ever a foreigner to the Egyptian people.

Yet the final passage of his 1842-1879 memoirs strikes a chord,
perhaps now more than ever:

“Whatever future awaits Egypt – whether it gains independence or
continues as a colony – justice will remain standing between the
ruler and subjects … [The peasant’s] country is not one of slavery
and his house is no longer that of a slave.”

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/communities-armenians-egypt-recount-rich-history

Experts On ECHR Verdicts Against Armenia

EXPERTS ON ECHR VERDICTS AGAINST ARMENIA

tert.am
27.06.12

The end justified the means. Judges pursuing their interests or
executing political orders do not at all think of further rulings by
the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

The lawyers Vahe Grigoryan and Hovik Arsenyan, as well as the human
rights activist Vardan Harutyunyan, are of the unanimous opinion that
lawyers point to violations of law during trials and warn of their
intention to apply to the ECHR. However, courts go on “doing justice.”

“This is our judges’ working style,” Grigoryan said. “The compensations
are paid at the expense of pensioners, from taxes paid by ordinary
citizens,” he added.

In returning verdicts, Armenia’s courts are guided by their “everyday
interests” rather than by European standards. “They are well aware
of the fact that they violate human rights and that verdicts not in
Armenia’s favor will later be returned, at the expense of taxpayers,”
he added.

According to him, Armenian judges will only be concerned over this
if they themselves pay the compensations.

Grigoryan believes that the ECHR verdicts do not largely arouse
concern, because they are only consequences. Justice must be done in
Armenia as only individual cases reach the ECHR.

“In violating human rights, both judges and the government reckon on
people’s inability to apply to the European Court. See the residents of
Byuzand Street. Thousands of families were kicked out of their homes,
their property was misappropriated, but only a dozen applied to the
European Court,” Grigoryan said.

Since 2005, the ECHR has returned about 30 verdicts against Armenia.

Armenia’s Ruling Party Mps Should Not Miss Parliament Sessions – Par

ARMENIA’S RULING PARTY MPS SHOULD NOT MISS PARLIAMENT SESSIONS – PARTY DEPUTY

news.am
June 27, 2012 | 12:27

YEREVAN. – The situation is very normal in Armenia’s new National
Assembly (NA) and the political component finally grew, ruling
Republican Party MP Mkrtich Minasyan said during a press conference
on Wednesday.

In his words, no one in the Parliament-and especially the ruling
power’s representatives-can allow themselves the luxury of being
absent from the NA, since the parliamentary opposition has increased
and this also means there is a matter of obtaining quorum.

Minasyan also noted that he considers it normal that the NA opposition
Armenian National Congress (ANC) is still holding rallies.

In his turn, ANC member and Democratic Motherland Party Chairman Petros
Makeyan stated that if the ANC no longer conducts its activities on
the street, its activities in the NA will be meaningless.

Also, he maintained that the current state of affairs in Armenia is
something like one step forward, two steps back.

Aram I Catholicos Refused To Give Interview To Turkish Channel

ARAM I CATHOLICOS REFUSED TO GIVE INTERVIEW TO TURKISH CHANNEL

ARMENPRESS
27 June, 2012
YEREVAN

YEREVAN, JUNE 27, ARMENPRESS: Catholicos of Great House of Cilicia His
Holiness Aram Ð~F again rejected the suggestion of Turkish TV Channel
to give an interview. Armenpress reports calling asbarez.com news
website that during the interview which had to last two weeks among
the international issues Armenian Issue will also be discussed. The
interview would be conducted by famous Turkish journalist and
intellectual Adnan Oktar.

The press and information department of the Catholicosate of Great
House of Cilicia had rejected the invitation telling that His Holiness
Aram Ð~F catholicos would reject all such offers as long as Turkey
had not recognized Armenian Genocide and compensate Armenians.

In the invitation directed to the catholicos was mentioned that it is
a “friendly offer” and “God wants peace to be established between our
nations”. “We are privileged to have Aram Ð~F catholicos in Istanbul”
is said in the end of the letter.

During the last one week this is the second letter directed to Aram
Ð~F catholicos. Both invitations have been rejected.

Les Armeniens Se Preparent A Marseille

LES ARMENIENS SE PREPARENT A MARSEILLE
Aurelie Ohanian

armenews.com
mercredi 27 juin 2012

Du 10 au 15 juillet se deroulent les championnats du monde d’athletisme
junior a Barcelone.

L’equipe junior d’Armenie composee de 4 athlètes et de 2 entraineurs
participera a cette competition.

Du 25 juin au 8 juillet, les 6 membres de la selection poseront
leurs bagages a Marseille pour se preparer au mieux physiquement et
moralement a ce championnat. Grâce a un partenariat entre la Federation
Francaise d’Athletisme (FFA), Federation Armenienne d’Athletisme (FAA),
la Ligue de Provence et la Jeunesse Armenienne de France (JAF) et le
soutien du Conseil General des Bouches du Rhône, ces jeunes champions
seront dans les meilleures conditions pour peaufiner leur preparation.

La FFA et la Ligue de Provence se chargeront de la partie sportive
de ce sejour. Il assureront l’encadrement et le conseil auprès de
ces jeunes athlètes en leur faisant profiter des installations locales.

La JAF assurera l’accueil, l’hebergement et la restauration de l’equipe
pendant la quinzaine.

Le Centre Culturel de la JAF sera le lieu de rassemblement et
debriefing des sportifs. Habituee a promouvoir la culture et la
jeunesse, la JAF etend son registre au domaine sportif.

Tout en remplissant plusieurs de ses missions fondatrices : renforcer
le lien avec l’Armenie, favoriser l’emergence de nouveaux talents,
developper sa composante sportive incarnee par sa section ” Courir
Pour La Memoire “.

Le volet final de ce partenariat aura lieu le 28 octobre 2012 pour
le Marseille-Cassis avec l’accueil d’une delegation de coureurs
d’Armenie. Ce jour la, 40 sportifs militants participeront egalement
a la grande classique pedestre sous les couleurs de ” Courir Pour La
Memoire “.

En developpant une nouvelle forme de sensibilisation de la population
a la question du negationnisme, ” Courir Pour La Memoire ” participe
pour la 3ème fois au Marseille-Cassis.

Focus sur les acteurs du projet : Bernard Amsalem, President de la
Federation Francaise d’Athletisme (FFA), Robert Emmiyan, President de
la Federation Armenienne d’Athletisme (FAA), Andre Giraud, President
de la Ligue de Provence, Julien Harounyan, President de la Jeunesse
Armenienne de France (JAF), Pascal Chamassian, Responsable du projet
pour la Jeunesse Armenienne de France, Gerard Kirkorian, Responsable
de ” Courir Pour La Memoire ” (CPLM), Le Conseil General des Bouches
du Rhône.

Focus sur la JAF et ” Courir pour la memoire ”

” Courir Pour La Memoire ” est la section sportive de la Jeunesse
Armenienne de France de Marseille (JAF).

Depuis 60 ans, la Jeunesse Armenienne de France place au coeur de
son action la reconnaissance du genocide armenien. Cette initiative
s’inscrit dans une demarche de citoyennete et de justice en faveur
de la lutte contre les genocides et le negationnisme.

Courir Pour la Memoire a pour objectif de rassembler toutes les âmes
eprises de Justice et de Verite. Après la culture, la JAF a donc
choisi le sport, qui depuis toujours, rassemble et unit pour militer
autour de la question des genocides.

Anc Rally: Chaos, New Developments, Mortal Blow, Opposition’s Summer

ANC RALLY: CHAOS, NEW DEVELOPMENTS, MORTAL BLOW, OPPOSITION’S SUMMER HOLIDAYS

PanARMENIAN.Net
June 26, 2012 – 22:12 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net – Armenian National Congress (ANC) opposition bloc
rally was held in Yerevan’s Liberty Square.

The rally was believed to have gathered the smallest number of
supporters as compared to previous ANC demonstrations.

ANC’s struggle against chaos

ANC member, MP Nikol Pashinyan believes the opposition bloc to be
the only one interested in uncovering October 29, 1999 and March 1,
2008 events.

As he noted, though October 27 case is considered de-jure solved,
a probe into March 1 events is still ongoing.

Pashinyan further addressed to recent beating up of doctors at
Harsnakar restaurant, dubbing the incident as “the activities of
current leadership.”

“Only ANC is capable of stopping the chaos reigning in Armenia,”
Pashinyan stressed.

ANC warns of new developments

Armenian National Movement (ANM) board chair, a member of ANC
opposition bloc Aram Manukyan urged those gathered for ANC rally to
be ready for presidential poll, without waiting for February 2013
to arrive.

According to Makunyan, current leadership was stricken with ANC work
at a newly-formed parliament, with many MPs voicing their satisfaction
with the activities of ANC members.

However, as Manukyan stressed, it’s the people’s support that makes
ANC strong.

ANM board chair further warned those gathered about new developments
to be soon expected in the country’s domestic and foreign policy,
“that the current leadership is not immune against.”

Fateful decisions and blow to regime

ANC opposition bloc coordinator warned of much work to be accomplished
before presidential elections.

At ANC rally, Levon Zurabyan urged against believing skeptics who
argue that current authorities’ victory at presidential poll will be
as easy as parliamentary elections win.

“Presidential elections are the only real chance for a shift of
power in the country,” he said, calling on those gathered to prepare
themselves to take fateful decisions and administer a blow to current
regime.

In conclusion, Zurabyan urged current leader Serzh Sargsyan to resign
his post.

Summer holidays for opposition

The next rally of ANC was scheduled for September, unless a necessity
arises to organize one earlier, the opposition bloc leader said.

According to Levon Ter-Petrossian, political events in Armenia
will be developing in early autumn, as presidential election day is
coming closer.

ANC defends Prosperous Armenia, says parliament regulations absurd

ANC opposition bloc leader, ex-president Levon Ter-Petrossian spoke in
defense of Prosperous Armenia, slamming those who dubbed the party as
“fake opposition.”

“Those skeptical of Prosperous Armenia cite the following arguments
to prove their point : 1st, they believe the party backs ex-president
Robert Kocharian and are threatened by the possibility of his return;
2nd, Prosperous Armenia didn’t announce itself an opposition, in line
with parliamentary regulations, which I believe are absurd and have
to be abolished.”

“By doing so, the skeptics are trying to help current President
Serzh Sargsyan in positioning himself as a lesser evil as compared
to Kocharian, whose name is associated with March 1, 2008 events.”

“The supposedly independent media and political forces are trying to
push Prosperous Armenia back into Serzh Sargsyan’s arms, in an effort
to again turn the party into RPA extension.”

As ANC leader said, current authorities are using harsher means to
pressure Prosperous Armenia, “yet, giving in to President Sargsyan
would mean political death to Prosperous Armenia.”

“Turning into an opposition as the only way out for Prosperous
Armenia,” Ter-Petrossian noted, urging other political forces for help.

Ter-Petrossian urges to abolish OSCE Minsk Group

ANC opposition bloc leader, ex-president Levon Ter-Petrossian commented
on recent statement on Karabakh issue by three Co-Chairing Presidents
of the OSCE Minsk Group, Vladimir Putin, Barack Obama and Francois
Hollande at the G20 summit in Los Cabos, Mexico.

As Ter-Petrossian noted at ANC rally, the tone of the message was
perceptively harsher as compared to previous ones.

“The Presidents were dissatisfied over the failure of Serzh Sargsyan
and Ilham Aliyev to implement Deauville statement and Sochi agreement,
with ceasefire violations and military rhetoric continuing.”

“Some experts believe that OSCE MG hasn’t lived up to expectations
and note that even a short-term halt in its work might yield positive
results,” ANC leader said.

“According to the experts, halting mediatory mission and pressuring
conflicting sides into action would promote peace agreement,”
Ter-Petrossian said.

Opposition to vote against

ANC opposition bloc leader, ex-president Levon Ter-Petrossian urged
parliamentary opposition forces to continue cooperation, and vote
against government-proposed bills and programs.

As he noted, the opposition may only join the majority in voting for
national security-related draft laws.

At ANC rally, Ter-Petrossian spoke of a new political situation in
Armenian parliament, noting that the National Assembly hasn’t had as
many oppositional parliamentarians since 1999.

“If in 2012, 49 MPs voted against the government program, in 2007
there was no one to vote against, and only 3 MPs were opposed in 2008,”
ANC leader said.