ANKARA: Ergenekon sweeps up the police and the military

Turkish Daily News
January 23, 2009 Friday

ERGENEKON SWEEPS UP THE POLICE AND THE MILITARY

The latest Ergenekon wave swept up 40 people yesterday morning, 20 of
who were police and military officers. The 40 are alleged to be part
of assassination teams directed by Ybrahim THORNahin, an ex-police
officer currently under arrest as part of the Ergenekon case

Police also raided the Metal Workers Union headquarters and the
Eurasia TV, or ART, in Ankara. The unions president Mustafa Ozbek,
VERSO Survey companys owner Erhan Goksel, and senior journalist Unal
Ynanc were also rounded up.

Police demanded the keys for locked rooms in the union building and
the buildings plans. Another raid was conducted on the THORNirinoethlu
Social and Strategic Research Center, presided over by Ynanc.

Turkmeneli Human Rights Association Head Savathorn Avcy was also taken
into custody. ART, a channel with an anti-Justice and Development
Party, or AKP, stance and with nationalist leanings, resumed
broadcasting from Cyprus.

Among detainees are 17 police officers from a special operations unit,
two non-commissioned officers, three lieutenants, seven journalists,
and five union activists. One of the detainees in Sivas has been
released.

Istanbul Acting Prosecutor Turan Colakkady said there might be more
detentions based on documents and evidence discovered in the
raids. "Searches and confiscations have been executed under court
order. Prosecutors were immediately informed of the detained people,
who have the right to object to the court," Colakkady said.

The searches and confiscations were the subject of controversy due to
the observance of procedural rules. Searches were undertaken in 30
locations in various cities, said Colakkady. The latest wave covered
13 cities, including Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Bursa, Hakkari,
Elazyeth, Iethdyr, and Hatay.

"A supplementary indictment to the Ergenekon case is in its final
stages and will be completed in a month," said Colakkady.

[HH] Professor and party deputy leader released

Meanwhile, Professor Yalcyn Kucuk and deputy leader of Independent
Republic Party, or BCP, Engin Aydyn, arrested in an earlier wave of
Ergenekon detentions, were released yesterday.

The Ergenekon case aims to unveil and bring down an alleged
ultra-nationalist gang that has conspired against the government in an
attempt to provoke a coup. Prosecutors describe the alleged gang as a
terrorist organization

[HH] Opposition in uproar, major union prepares a summit

Union leaders, the main opposition Republican Peoples Party and
detainees relatives condemned the detentions as part of a suppression
campaign

"It is impossible to implicate any union in the Ergenekon case. The
reason for the unions existence is democracy itself," said President
of the Turkish Confederation of Labor Unions, or TURK-YTHORN Mustafa
Kumlu. TURK-YTHORN has decided to hold an extraordinary session to
assess the aftermath of Ozbeks detention and the Ergenekon case
Monday. Road Workers Union President Ramazan Aethar also visited
Ozbeks house.

"We are in a time when being a Turk in Turkey is a crime," said
Mustafa Ozbeks son, Haydar Ozbek.

VERSOs owner Goksel told reporters before he was taken to a police
station, "Ramazan Akyurek is my greatest enemy." Akyurek is Istanbul
Polices Intelligence unit chief and is implicated in the murder of
Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink by the Workers Party, or YP
leader, Doethu Perincek. Perincek, under arrest in the Ergenekon case,
claimed in 2007 that Akyurek was an Islamist and associated with
religious community chief Fethullah Gulen

A member of the directors board of the Security and Judiciary
Reporters Association, Mehmet Balykcyoethlu, said 50,000 books and
200,000 documents had been seized in the searches. Most of the books
were about Turkeys founder Ataturk, he said.

"The trade unions have been silenced and media organizations have been
intimidated," the main opposition Republican Peoples Party, or CHP,
spokesman Mustafa Ozyurek told reporters outside the union’s
headquarters.

"Turkey is fast becoming an empire of fear," he said. CHP Deputy
Leader Yylmaz Atethorn said a "respected union is raided a day after
the president convened the top cadre of the state, and a broadcasting
channel has been oppressed."

CHP Istanbul Deputy Bayram Meral, in front of Ozbeks house where
police conducted a search, said the Ergenekon case was a distraction
while the country was being looted. "What is the fault of Ozbek. Not
being the governments mouthpiece?" he said.

Justice Minister Mehmet Ali THORNahin said he could not meddle in the
judiciarys affairs as a minister, speaking to reporters in the Hague
yesterday.

Parliament Speaker Koksal Toptan urged restraint from making
statements that may mean intervening in the judiciary’s work

EU’s Ferrero-Waldner Speaks On Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict

EU’S FERRERO-WALDNER SPEAKS ON NAGORNO-KARABAKH CONFLICT

Interfax
Jan 22 2009
Russia

The European commissioner for external relations and European
Neighborhood policy, Benita Ferrero- Waldner, credited Azerbaijan
with successful economic development and said this is a basis for
the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

The European Union would help Azerbaijan solve all its problems
after the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is settled in a peaceful way,
Ferrero-Waldner promised in an interview with Azeri state television
channel AzTV.

She commended a declaration on the Nagorno-Karabakh issue that the
Azeri and Armenian presidents issued at a meeting in Moscow late
in 2008.

She also argued that a negotiated settlement of the conflict would
be essential for the prosperity for the entire region.

BAKU: Azeri Ex-Captive Convicted Of High Treason

AZERI EX-CAPTIVE CONVICTED OF HIGH TREASON

Turan news agency
Jan 23 2009
Azerbaijan

Baku, 23 January: The Court for Grave Crimes issued a verdict for
yet another national traitor on 21 January.

Judge Zeynal Agayev sentenced to 11 years in a high-security colony
Azerbaijani serviceman Vusal Qeybatov. The defendant did not plead
guilty, sources in the court told Turan.

The closed trial on this case began in November 2008.

According to materials of the case, Vusal Qeybatov was taken captive by
Armenians in the vicinity of Agdam [near Nagornyy Karabakh] on 11 April
2008. He was handed over to Azerbaijan on 3 May. After an investigation
was completed, Qeybatov was arrested and a criminal case under Article
274 (high treason) of the Criminal Code was launched against him.

This is not the first case when servicemen released from captivity
were arrested. Over 10 servicemen have been convicted on similar
charges so far.

Representative Of Armenian Embassy To Take Part In "USA Policy In So

REPRESENTATIVE OF ARMENIAN EMBASSY TO TAKE PART IN "USA POLICY IN SOUTH CAUCASUS: GEOPOLITICAL AND ENERGY CHALLENGES" CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON

ARMENPRESS
Jan 20, 2009

YEREVAN, JANUARY 20, ARMENPRESS: American "Heritage Foundation"
organization initiated a conference in Washington, January 27 on "USA
policy in South Caucasus: Geopolitical and Energy Challenges", in which
the representative of Armenian Embassy in the USA will also take part.

An official from "Heritage Foundation" told Armenpress that Assistant
to the Deputy USA Secretary of State on European and Eurasian issues,
OSCE Minsk group co-chairman Matthew Bryza, Coordinator of the
department of Eurasian energy policy Steven Man, Chief consultant
of the commission of foreign relations of the Senate Nail Brown,
representative of the organization Ariel Cohen and others will take
part in the conference and deliver speeches.

Reports will be presented on "The regional security after the August
war" and "Energy and pipelines: challenges for Europe and USA".

The organization explains the necessity of calling a conference with
a circumstance that the Russian-Ukrainian issue which appeared around
gas supply stressed the dependence of Europe from Russia and that
the importance of Caspian hydrocarbon recourses increases.

Besides, after Russian-Georgian war a new situation has established
in the region.

Polls will be conducted on how the USA can develop the bilateral and
multilateral relations in the Caucasian and Caspian regions.

Yerevan Municipality Earmarked 26mln AMD For Organization Of New Yea

YEREVAN MUNICIPALITY EARMARKED 26MLN AMD FOR ORGANIZATION OF NEW YEARS EVENTS

ARKA
Jan 19, 2009

YEREVAN, January 19. /ARKA/. Municipality of Yerevan earmarked 26mln
AMD ($85,000) for organizing of New Year events and decorating the
city festively, said Yerevan Vice-Mayor Vano Vardanyan.

"New technologies and materials were used for decorating the capital
festively, including festive illumination and decorations for the
Christmas tree on the Republican Square," Vardanyan told reporters
on Monday.

According to Vice-Mayor the main events in Yerevan included concert
on the country’s main square which started in the evening of December
31 and lasted until late at night , as well as the Christmas concert
on January 6.

Besides, the Republican Square was turned into a magic square for
children during the holiday.

Special events were organized for veterans of war and needy families.

"According to the response of our fellow citizens, the holiday events
were on high level," said Vardanyan.

ANKARA: Will Turkey ever apologize to other oppressed groups?

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Jan 18 2009

Will Turkey ever apologize to other oppressed groups?

Covered women who have faced various obstacles during their academic
lives because of their headsarves, say they wonder whether the Turkish
state will one day apologize to them for the suffering it has caused
them. A series of recent moves by Turkey to confront its past
mistakes in its treatment of certain groups or individuals has brought
to mind the question of whether the country will some day seek the
forgiveness of other groups which have long complained of being
deprived of religious, cultural or ethnic rights.

A campaign initiated by a number of Turkish intellectuals who
collected signatures for a statement personally apologizing for events
that took place in 1915 that Armenians claim constituted genocide
dominated the national agenda for several weeks, with many questioning
whether it could be a historic step for Turkey in confronting its
past.

Then came the launch of the country’s first 24-hour television channel
broadcasting in Kurdish, a language that was prohibited in public
following the 1980 military coup.

Soon afterwards, a Turkish minister engaged in self-criticism over the
state’s misguided practices in the past, referring to people who had
been prosecuted on charges of singing Kurdish songs, including Ahmet
Kaya, Ahmet Arif and Mehmet Uzun. This move was followed by a Cabinet
decision to restore the citizenship of Nazım Hikmet Ran, one of
Turkey’s first modern, best loved and most illustrious poets. Turkey
stripped Hikmet of his citizenship in 1951 at the height of the Cold
War because of his communist views. He died in exile in Moscow in
1963.

The series of apologies to various groups and individuals in society
raises the question of whether other segments that have for many years
claimed that their basic rights have been violated will receive a
similar apology some day in the future. Among these segments are
Alevis, Kurds and women who wear headscarves, the behavior of the
state toward whom has been criticized on various occasions.

Havva Yılmaz, a covered woman who has faced various obstacles
during her academic life because of her headscarf, said she wondered
whether the Turkish state would one day apologize to her for the
suffering it has caused her. `I wish the state owed no apology to
anyone. Nevertheless, it would be pleasing to hear an official apology
for the headscarf ban years later. I wonder if the state would
consider taking such a step,’ she noted.

Yılmaz came to prominence last year because of a statement she
released along with her friends advocating freedom for all oppressed
individuals in society, including those suffering because of the ban
on the headscarf. Headscarves were banned at Turkish universities in
the late 1990s through a Constitutional Court ruling on the grounds
that they violated the nation’s secular principles because the
headscarf was seen as a political and religious symbol. The question
of wearing headscarves on university campuses has since remained
unresolved.

Parliament, controlled by the Justice and Development Party (AK
Party), passed a constitutional amendment last February to allow
students to wear headscarves at universities; however, upon an appeal
by the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) and its ally
the Democratic Left Party (DSP), the Constitutional Court ruled in
early June that Parliament had violated the constitutionally enshrined
principle of secularism when it passed amendments to remove the
headscarf ban, and annulled the amendment.

`It is very important to grant people their rights in time. I wish
Nazım Hikmet had not been stripped of his citizenship. I wish
no one had suffered from the 1915 incidents. And I wish no headscarf
ban had been imposed; however, if the state takes a step in the future
to make up for the sufferings caused by the scarf ban, it will be a
delayed yet pleasing development. At least, we will understand that
the state has finally realized its mistake,’ Yılmaz stated.

Another group that expects an apology from the state is the Kurdish
population, which has complained that the state has withheld the
cultural rights Kurds yearned for. The Kurdish population’s aspiration
to enjoy long-desired rights and its fight to this end have turned
violent in the last 25 years, with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’
Party (PKK) launching an armed campaign against Turkish civilians and
security forces for autonomy in Turkey’s Kurdish-populated Southeast.

`As the understanding of apologizing grows more mature in society, I
believe we will confront our past and restore the rights of those who
were subjected to unjust treatment. This is something directly related
to the improvement of democracy. As democracy improves, we will make
up for our past mistakes. We see some groups and the state expressing
their regret to Armenians and Nazım Hikmet. So, what about the
rights of other oppressed groups? When we learn to apologize to all
groups who were subjected to unjust treatment, then we will become a
real state,’ remarked Mehmet Metiner, a Kurdish intellectual.

There is another community that believes it deserves an apology for
the policies the state has pursued toward it for many years. Turkey’s
Alevi community, a religious group thought to have between 6 and 12
million adherents in Turkey, has complained on various occasions about
being subjected to discrimination and deprived of their cultural and
religious rights.

Alevi demands include making state-run religious classes
noncompulsory, abolishing the Religious Affairs Directorate and the
recognition of cemevis (Alevi places of worship) by the state. They
also want full implementation of the principle of `equal citizenship,’
so that all citizens can enjoy their fundamental rights and freedoms
without being subjected to discrimination regardless of their
religion, origin, language, race or gender.

The governing AK Party recently shaped a new initiative to respond to
the demands voiced by Alevi citizens. As part of the new initiative,
Alevi dedes (religious leaders) will be granted a monthly salary. The
electricity and water bills of cemevis will be paid for by the
state. And the Madımak Hotel, where several Alevi intellectuals
were killed in a fire set by religious fanatics in 1993, will be
turned into a museum.

Though a considerable majority of the Alevi community is pleased with
the recent initiative that is aimed at thawing the ice between the
state and Alevis, some say the initiative wouldn’t suffice.

`Apologizing for mistakes shows the greatness of a state. A state has
pluses and minuses. Being sorry for the bad things experienced in the
past is not something wrong. On the contrary, it renders the unity in
society stronger and makes the state more powerful. The state should
apologize to various individuals or groups for its past mistakes,’
stated Fermani Altun, president of the World Ehli Beyt Foundation, a
prominent Alevi association.

Altun said society should as a whole react against the mistakes that
have been and are being committed. `In this way, we can develop into a
more democratic and improved society,’ he added.

18 January 2009, Sunday
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Ergenekon’s economic agenda looks bigger than its political goals

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Jan 18 2009

Ergenekon’s economic agenda looks bigger than its political goals

The economic and political goals of the Ergenekon terror organization,
accused of provoking chaos to overthrow Turkey’s democratic order,
complement each other, but analysts note that although Ergenekon’s
political goals are more visible, it’s economic goals are actually
bigger and more significant.

Noting that the economic resources of the organization are mostly
illegal, economists stress that its financing system is as complicated
as its organizational structure. According to the indictment against
Ergenekon, the organization had plans to participate in the registered
economy via foundations and corporations. Former Finance Ministry
General Director for Revenues Nevzat SaygılıoÄ?lu
stresses that the connection between the organization and the economy
is twofold: `It is like the economy also has its own Ergenekon. Like
the Ergenekon that allegedly provokes chaos in the country, there are
actors eager to make sure that the economy also becomes chaotic.’

Stressing that the organization’s complex financing system has
domestic and international connections and dimensions, experts also
note that the size of its budget may exceed $100 billion. Sadık
AvundukluoÄ?lu, a member of the parliamentary commission set up
to investigate unresolved murders, is opposed to calling the
organization Ergenekon, a name taken from a legend about the origins
of the Turkish people. `It is not easy to measure the size of its
financial system because the actual size of the organization is
immeasurable. In addition to the financial instruments controlled by
the organization, the individual goals of its members pose a more
difficult problem. But if we are talking about a terrorist
organization, I think attempts to call it Ergenekon, the opening saga
of Turkish history, are part of a separate plan,’ he says.

Ergenekon documents stress the importance of controlling financial
instruments. A report written by the organization in October 1999
says, `Ergenekon must sponsor activities in the field of economy and
control money flows because of the circumstances and conditions of the
current age.’

The report, which also discusses the collection of sensitive
information, explains, `The key to a strong intelligence agency in the
21st century will be to block financial organizations.’ An analyst,
speaking on condition of anonymity, stresses that these remarks show
the magnitude of Ergenekon’s economic plans. `Considering that
Ergenekon is not a legal entity, its economic activities will not be
legal, either. Likewise, the money it says it should control will be
revenues from illegal activities, including drug smuggling. If it is
to work as a strong intelligence agency, it feels it should enlarge
its budget relying on illegal money and fund new illegal entities to
achieve its economic and political goals.’

`Outsider’ involvement

Speaking on the subject of the identities of those who are seeking a
chaos in the country, SaygılıoÄ?lu says: `I should
note that the people who did this are foreigners who settled here or
citizens who distanced themselves from their own roots. They enjoy the
deterioration in economic conditions; they make large sums of money
through these activities.’

Noting that the government’s need to borrow from the public should be
minimized to protect the economy against Ergenekon’s activities,
SaygılıoÄ?l u also says: `They are taking the
economy to the brink of collapse while they spill crocodile
tears. They constantly rely on a discourse of economic and political
stability. However, they exploit this chaotic environment. It should
be noted that the only viable option to get rid of these Ergenekon
activities is to minimize the government’s public borrowing need.’

SaygılıoÄ?lu also says: `Ergenekon inflicts great
harm on the economy, particularly the real economy. The deteriorated
market condition, declining demand and the withdrawn cash destroys
everything. Domestic political developments and uncertainties affect
everyone. This makes domestic and international investors postpone
their investment decisions. Nobody wants to make decisions in such a
fragile environment. Unemployment is a typical outcome of
this. Thousands become unemployed every day. No transaction takes
place because of the liquidity shortage in the markets.’

The damaged economy eventually makes the Ergenekon members rich,
SaygılıoÄ?lu adds. He notes that ordinary citizens
and small business entrepreneurs are most affected by Ergenekon’s
economic activities.

Economic goals spelled out in indictment

A document submitted as evidence in the Ergenekon indictment stresses
that the organization should seize control of the boards of banks and
holdings, adding that exports and imports should also be taken under
control via manipulations in the value of Turkish currency.

The document, under the heading of `Finance,’ further emphasizes that
the organization should create affiliated holdings and banks to
maintain a favorable balance.

According to the document, the organization seeks to have full control
over monetary flows in foreign trade, Turkish currency and
international financing institutions operating in Turkey.

The secret documents of the organization list legal and illegal
activities as financial sources. The indictment stresses that the
organization regularly collects donations from the National
Association of Industrialists and Businessmen (USİAD) and that
USİAD Chair Kemal Ã-zden served as mediator between retired
Brig. Gen. Veli Küçük and the business
world. Documents also underline that USİAD members close to the
AK Party may extend help and assistance in public procurement bids.

Drug and arms smuggling

Stressing that the organization gets revenue from illegal activities,
including blackmail, land seizure, bank robbery and fake business
enterprises, the indictment also notes that Sami HoÅ?tan
provided part of the drug smuggling revenue and that
Küçük received his share from drug trafficking
through JİTEM. The indictment also argues that money laundering
activities were managed by corporations such as DoÄ?uÅ?
Factoring, where Alparslan Arslan, the perpetrator of the Council of
State attack, served as an attorney. Revenue through connections with
land mafias and information theft from banks in different countries is
also listed amongst the organization’s resources.

`Restructuring the state,’ another Ergenekon document, stresses that
the commercial and economic activities of the organization will be
assumed by separate units specializing in commercial and industrial
affairs, as well as macro-economic and international economic
activities. The legal commercial activities of the organization
include cargo transportation and projects in the medical industry. The
indictment recalls that both fields are work well for making large
sums of money and money laundering. The document also states that the
executive boards of strong domestic holdings and multinational
enterprises should be seized.

Two examples of corrupt dealings

A striking example of Ergenekon’s monetary resources concerns the
Turkish Metal Union. The former chair of the union’s Manisa branch,
Mehmet Ali Ã-zaltın, argues that there have been a number of
corruption incidents in the union. `The resources of the union were
transmitted to Ergenekon. The union fully funds a group affiliated
with ultranationalists,’ he claims.

Statements by businessman Turgut BüyükdaÄ? refer
to the economic ties between the Susurluk scandal, in which a 1996 car
accident revealed shadowy links between the state and the mafia, the
Feb. 28, 1997 `postmodern coup’ and
Ergenekon. BüyükdaÄ?, who was making large sums of
money until 1996, when he first met Küçük, argues
that a minister asked for a bribe of $30 million. Speaking to the
Taraf daily, BüyükdaÄ? said he was employed in
numerous different fields, including textiles, banking and
construction. He noted that he was discarded when he expressed his
eagerness to work in the media sector.

Claiming that his factories were appropriated during the Feb. 28
process, BüyükdaÄ? says he started a legal process
to regain his properties but that he was arrested because of reports
in the Cumhuriyet daily.

BüyükdaÄ? gave a deposition to Ergenekon
prosecutor Zekeriya Ã-z when he noticed remarks about himself in a
statement by Osman
Yıldırım. BüyükdaÄ? filed a
criminal report against Ã?evik Bir, Korkut Eken, Mehmet
AÄ?ar, Hasan Ã-zdemir and İsmail Ã-zmen. `I cannot
understand the developments. They took our deeds illegally; they
mortgaged our banks; they withdrew $50 million. This is all
documented. I did not have the chance to survive that process. I was
saved by Küçük upon Tuncay Güney’s
mediation. Now they argue that Küçük is involved
in those things. I am really confused. Now I understand that all of
this was planned. I experienced all of this; this is a fact. I will
speak out no matter what; I will reveal the truth even if they kill
me,’ he had said.

The organization seems to have even considered creating a bank for its
purposes. Ergenekon documents summarize the group’s needs as follows:
`Ergenekon needs production facilities, commercial holdings and
banks. We need civilian employees who will well fit in with Kemalist
ideology and have experience in media, international business and
banking.’

Ergenekon’s financial resources

-Fake corporations in different fields
– Collection of money from rich people through blackmail
– Information theft from foreign banks
– Drug and arms smuggling
– Cargo transportation
– Money laundering through foundations

Ergenekon’s goals

– To seize control of corporations and holdings
– To acquire control of banks
– To found consulting and security corporations
– To control the value of Turkish currency and foreign trade

18 January 2009, Sunday
ALİ ASLAN KILI� ANKARA

Armen Martirosyan: "Court case of 7 arrested absurd"

Panorama.am
17:28 16/01/2009

ARMEN MARTIROSYAN: `COURT CASE OF 7 ARRESTED ABSURD’

`I am an injured party; they have not revealed the one who stabbed
me. One of the accused is the deputy Miasnik Malkhasyan, whose brother
defended the police officers when they were throwing stones on
them. How could Miasnik Malkhasyan provoke disorder, when his brothers
defended the police officers from those provocateurs,’ announced NA
deputy Armen Martirosyan speaking about the court case of 7 arrested
which is being postponed every time. `That case of seven arrested is
an absurd,’ he said.

Armen Martirosyan said that the legal successors of the victims of
March 1 events join the statements made by the advocates.

Source: Panorama.am

Best Armenian sportsmen and their coaches granted nominal stipends

Best Armenian sportsmen and their coaches granted nominal stipends of
Armenian president

YERE VAN, JANUARY 16, NOYAN TAPAN. By the January 14 order of the
Armenian president Serzh Sargsyan, the sportsmen who achieved good
results at the Olympic Games, world and European championships, as well
as their coaches were granted a nominal stipend of the Armenian
president, NT was informed by the RA presidential press service.

http://www.nt.am?shownews=1011326

Veterans Of War And Armed Forces Of Armenia In The National Assembly

VETERANS OF WAR AND ARMED FORCES OF ARMENIA IN THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

National Assembly of RA
Jan 14 2009
Armenia

On January 13 Mr. Hovik Abrahamyan, President of the National Assembly,
received Mr. Hrant Hovhannisyan, the Chairman of the Committee of the
Veterans of War and Armed Forces of Armenia and the committee members
P. Petrosyan, M. Grigoryan, P. Soghoyan. Mrs. Arevik Petrosyan, Vice
President of the National Assembly and Mr. Hakob Hakobyan, Chairman
of the Standing Committee on Social Affairs of the National Assembly
also participated in the meeting.

Mr. Hovik Abrahamyan, President of the National Assembly, said that
the contribution of the veterans during the Great Patriotic war is
inestimable and that the generations should never forget them.

A number of issues, raised by the veterans were debated during the
meeting.