Will Iran’s past become prologue for Nagorno-Karabakh?

AXIOS
Oct 8 2020
 
 
Behnam Ben Taleblu

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is calling for “stability” and an “end” to the current fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan — but should the conflict between its northern neighbors escalate, Tehran may well deepen its involvement.

What to watch: Iran’s recent history — specifically the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) — provides a model of how that escalation might happen.

The big picture: The foreign-supplied arsenals boasted by both Armenia and Azerbaijan carry the risk of missile salvos targeting one another’s population centers, as seen in the “War of the Cities” between Iran and Iraq.

Another similarity between the two conflicts is the role of proxy forces.

  • Iran created Lebanese Hezbollah in 1982, the same year it invaded Iraq. During the war, Tehran relied on the Badr Organization, a group of Iraqi Shiite exiles to fight Saddam Hussein’s army.
  • Now, there are reportedly Syrian jihadists fighting on Azerbaijan’s side, with support from Turkey, a development Iran’s Rouhani called “unacceptable.”

The Iran-Iraq War also demonstrates that new alliances can come together, and multiple conflicts can converge, over the course of a larger war.

  • For example, Iran unsuccessfully took on the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf during its war with Iraq.
  • Where things stand: Turkey is already playing an active role in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh and another neighbor, Russia, clearly has interests to protect as well.

What to watch: Less attention is being played to the role of a third neighbor, Iran, which previously backed Christian Armenia rather than Shiite Azerbaijan when the two went to war in the 1990s, a decision best explained by geopolitics.

  • Tehran officially supports Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity (Nagorno-Karabakh is inside Azerbaijan’s borders), but has been accused of favoring Armenia and providing supplies to the Armenian-aligned government in Nagorno-Karabakh prior to the recent flare-up (Iran denies that).
  • There have been at least two indications that Iran may take a larger role now: ethnic Azeri protests in Iran in favor of Azerbaijan, and warnings by Iranian security officials that a spillover of shelling into Iranian territory won’t be tolerated.
  • Iran may also seize any opportunities to export weapons and offset adversaries like Israel, which is a leading arms exporter to Azerbaijan.

The bottom line: If the peaceful settlement Rouhani and others are calling for arrives soon, those calculations won’t come into play. If not, we could see shadows of another war that began four decades ago.

Behnam Ben Taleblu is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies

 
 
 
 
 

Why Erdogan’s flexing muscle in Karabakh

Yahoo! News
Oct 7 2020
Why Erdogan’s flexing muscle in Karabakh
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The worsening conflict between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces has seen one regional power — Turkey — throw its weight against both Russia and its own NATO allies.

And its President Tayyip Erdogan has described it as part of a quest for Turkey’s, quote, “deserved place in the world order.”

Turkey is backing Azerbaijan in the fighting over the region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Turkish-made drones now spearhead Azeri attacks and one senior official in Ankara said Turkey was providing infrastructure and support for the weapons, though it has no troops in the field.

Hundreds dead, heavy artillery, tanks, and planes. It’s the worst fighting there in decades.

Erdogan sees an opportunity to change the status quo, rather than going along with decades-old mediation efforts by the U.S., France and Russia that he says have failed.

And to bolster support at home by flexing muscle abroad.

Ankara’s reliance on gas imports from Azerbaijan adds another incentive.

The enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, but ruled and populated by ethnic Armenians.

Cross-border campaigns such as those waged by Turkey in northern Syria, Iraq and Libya are a priority for Erdogan, another Turkish official said, and boost support for his party.

But Turkey denies accusations by the French and Syrian presidents that it has sent Syrian jihadists it backs to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh.

And Russian allegations it’s sending mercenaries.

Although Turkey’s stance sends an implicit threat to Armenia and its ally Moscow, Erdogan’s also betting that despite their differences, Turkey and Russia get on well enough to prevent a wider conflict in the region.

The worsening conflicts between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces has seen one regional power, Turkey, throw its weight against both Russia and its own NATO allies, and its President Tayyip Erdogan has described it as part of a quest for Turkey’s, quote, “deserved place in the world order.”

Turkey is backing Azerbaijan in the fighting over the region of Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkish-made drones now spearhead Azeri attacks, and one senior official in Ankara said Turkey was providing infrastructure and support for the weapons, though it has no troops in the field. Hundreds dead, heavy artillery, tanks and planes– it’s the worst fighting there in decades.

Edogan sees an opportunity to change the status quo, rather than going along with decades old mediation efforts by the US, France, and Russia, that he says have failed, and to bolster support at home by flexing muscle abroad. Ankara’s reliance on gas imports from Azerbaijan adds another incentive.

The enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan but ruled and populated by ethnic Armenians. Cross-border campaigns, such as those waged by Turkey in northern Syria, Iraq, and Libya, are a priority for Erdogan, another Turkish official said, and boost support for his party. But Turkey denies accusations by the French and Syrian presidents that it has sent Syrian jihadists it backs to fight in the Nagorno-Karabakh and Russian allegations it’s sending mercenaries.

Although Turkey’s stance sends an implicit threat to Armenia and its ally Moscow, Erdogan’s also betting that despite their differences, Turkey and Russia get on well enough to prevent a wider conflict in the region.

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Century-old genocide looms large for Armenians as Turkey weighs in on Nagorno-Karabakh

Fox News
Oct 8 2020

The genocide of 1915 looms large as Armenians feel renewed fear and bitterness about Turkey’s involvement in the newly inflamed situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Turkey and Armenia still fight about history, with Ankara disputing there ever was a genocide.   But the death of 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of the Ottomans is in large part responsible for the creation of the diaspora.  There are more Armenians who live outside their country than within it.  

And Armenian President Armen Sarkissian tells Fox News his people have no intention of giving up rights to live freely in Nagorno-Karabakh.

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“This is a fight they will fight a long time, until the death as they say.  Every Armenian in the world will support this fight for a simple reason.  They see another attempt at genocide by Turkey using Azeri hands.”

Nagorno-Karabakh is an Armenian-populated enclave within the confines of the state of Azerbaijan.

The dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh goes back decades but the flare-up within the last two weeks seems to have rattled people within the region and beyond because it threatens to suck some larger regional players into the conflict, like Russia and Iran, both neighbors.

So far, they have called for calm.  And Azerbaijan bristles at the suggestion that Turkey’s involved militarily.

“Turkish support to Azerbaijan is moral, diplomatic and political support,” said Hikmat Hajiyev, Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev, “and we see the Armenian side tries to over-exaggerate it and put it in the context of a 3rd party involved.  From the Azerbaijan side, we don’t need any third party involvement.”

There have also been allegations that Turkey has employed mercenaries to fight.

“It has become, it is becoming, a great regional conflict with the potential of becoming another Syria or a big change in geopolitics because Turkey has brought with them also mujahedin–terrorists, Islamic terrorists–into Azerbaijan,” Sarkissian said.

Azerbaijan disputes this.

“Azerbaijan doesn’t need any foreign mercenaries,” Hajiyev said. “We have capable armed forces.  And they have interoperability with NATO forces.” He points out how Azerbaijani troops have worked side by side with American troops in conflicts like Afghanistan and helped facilitate American supply routes in the region, adding the bit about mercenaries is “just another propaganda piece against Azerbaijan.”

But Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad has said some of his countrymen have gone to join the fight, which gets Russia and Iran nervous.

Sarkissian said those countries have a role to play in helping to restore peace.  As does the US.

“I would like to use this opportunity to wish President Trump and the First Lady good health,” he said. “And it’s important President Trump return fully to his responsibilities for the Americans and for elections that are coming up, but it’s also important he brings his contribution today because we in Armenia, in Karabakh, cannot wait until the American elections.  We need American words and pressure on Turkey and Azerbaijan today.”

While both sides accuse the other of ethnic cleansing, atrocities and land grabs, representatives of each do say at least they believe they could all live together peacefully one day.  Hajiyev points to how different cultures have co-existed in Azerbaijan.

“We are proud of our Jewish culture, our Jewish community, as prosperous.  Christians and Muslims are living side by side in prosperity.  We always suggested this model of peaceful co-existence to Nagorno-Karabakh as well but unfortunately, Armenia followed a different model, of aggression.”

But no amount of denying Turkish involvement can convince Armenia’s President that there isn’t a grand scheme here.  He thinks Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan took advantage of a moment when the world was thinking of COVID-19 and economic crises to make his move.  At a time, Sarkissian said, when were in the middle of “the big fight for the survival of humanity.”  He called it inhuman.

The Armenian President added, if successful here, “Turkey will have a huge influence over what’s happening there and will have control over international energy resources.  So somehow Europe will become a hostage of Turkey, closing or opening pipelines and Central Asia will become a hostage.”

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Nagorno-Karabakh itself does not have oil, but it is a land that is considered by Armenians to be one of the key cradles of Christianity and the Azerbaijanis value it as a center of culture and beauty.  Tens of thousands have died for this over the years and counting, with this latest round of hostilities claiming hundreds so far.

Over in Azerbaijan, Hikmat Hajiyev said, “Generations are changing, but this conflict is still resisting.  Youngsters are dying on this battleground.  Enough is enough.”


France, Russia and US set for talks in coming days to press for Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire

France 24
Oct 7 2020
 
 
 
 
 
France’s foreign minister said on Wednesday that talks would be held in Geneva on Thursday and Moscow on Monday to try to convince warring sides in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict to agree to negotiate a ceasefire.
 
 
Jean-Yves Le Drian told the French parliament’s foreign affairs committee that France, Russia and the United States would hold those talks to start a dialogue that needed to take place without preconditions.
 
The foreign minister also accused Turkey of “military involvement” on the side of Azerbaijan in its conflict with Armenia over the breakaway Nagorno-Karabakh region.
 
“The new aspect is that there is military involvement by Turkey that risks fuelling the internationalisation of the conflict,” French Foreign Minister Le Drian told parliament.
 
>> ‘Turkey has a clear objective of reinstating the Turkish empire,’ Armenian PM says
 
Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics, have for decades been locked in a conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, an ethnically Armenian area that broke away from Azerbaijan in a 1990s war that cost around 30,000 lives.
 
Heavy fighting erupted again on September 27. Both sides blame the other for starting the latest hostilities.
 
The conflict has drawn in regional players, with Turkey supporting Azerbaijan and Armenia hoping that its ally Russia, which has so far stayed on the sidelines, will step in.
 
Turkey has been accused of deploying fighters from Syria to support Azerbaijan in the fighting.
 
French President Emmanuel Macron recently claimed Ankara had sent Syrian “jihadists” to the region, accusing Turkey of crossing a “red line”.
 
Turkey has not responded publicly.
 
(FRANCE 24 with AFP, REUTERS)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

LAUSD board adopts emergency resolution condemning Azerbaijani aggression, adds day off to commemorate Armenian Genocide

KTLA TV
Oct 7 2020

In a move of solidarity with its students and employees, the Los Angeles Unified School District Board of Education unanimously adopted an emergency resolution Tuesday, condemning Azerbaijani aggression against Armenia.

Los Angeles, home to the largest Armenian population outside of Armenia, has seen a number of demonstrations in recent days after Azerbaijan launched a military attack on Sept. 27 in the autonomous enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, also called Artsakh — a mountainous region bordering Armenia and Azerbaijan.

LAUSD’s resolution, called “Standing with the Armenian People and the Republic of Artsakh,” states that attacks launched by Azerbaijan’s military are a direct threat not only to “the Armenian population that has lived in Artsakh for millennia, but also to regional stability fundamental to United States’ interests,” according to a press release from the district.

The resolution comes after the biggest escalation in a decades-old conflict over the autonomy of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is home to about 150,000 people — about 95% of whom are ethnic Armenians, according to a 2015 census.

For the past week, the Armenian American community in L.A. has decried the escalating violence overseas as a massacre against Armenians and has been calling for international intervention. On Monday, elected officials from the L.A. area also demanded U.S. action to halt Azerbaijan’s attacks.

“Innocent Armenian civilians are dying as a result of this unprovoked attack on their country by Azerbaijan,” said board member Scott Schmerelson, who authored the resolution. “It is important for people around the world to condemn the outrageous aggression.”

And, because Turkey intervened in the conflict, LAUSD board members also called upon the California State Teachers Retirement Fund to divest from “any and all holdings, debt securities, global equities and currency investments by the Republic of Turkey for their continuation of a campaign of genocide against the Armenian people.”

The board also unanimously voted Tuesday to add a new holiday to school calendars to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day on April 24. Glendale Unified was the first school district in the country to add the day off in 2016 as a day of remembrance for the 1.5 million Armenians killed at the hands of the Ottoman Empire.

“Our Armenian students are a single example of the immense diversity that exists among our student body and we want to acknowledge the significance of their history,” said board member George J. McKenna III, one of many co-sponsors of the resolution.

Superintendent Austin Beutner added that the board recognizes and remembers the Armenian Genocide of 1915 in hopes of helping to prevent such an atrocity from happening again.

“This resolution reaffirms our commitment to teaching students about the importance of human rights,” Beutner said.

Schmerelson said that the world must be stand with the Armenian people as they are once again under attack.

“LA Unified has a robust curriculum on the Armenian Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust,” he said. “I urge every Social Studies and English teacher in our schools to be sure that they are teaching their students this curriculum. We must never forget.”

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LAUSD gives students day off for Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day

LA Daily News
Oct 7 2020
PUBLISHED: October 6, 2020 at 11:58 p.m. | UPDATED: October 7, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.

The Los Angeles Unified school board passed an emergency resolution late Tuesday, Oct. 6, condemning Azerbaijan’s “unprovoked” attack on ethnic Armenians in the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, also known as Artsakh, as board members became the latest local officials to weigh in on the ongoing conflict overseas.

The board also voted unanimously in a separate resolution to give students the day off on April 24 of each year, starting next school year for Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day.

Los Angeles is home to the largest Armenian diaspora, and a number of students served by LAUSD are of Armenian descent.

Protests have taken place throughout L.A. County in recent days in response to the violence that erupted in Nagorno-Karabakh last week. The region lies within Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenian forces. Both sides have blamed the other for the clashes.

But the LAUSD board made clear that members stand with the Armenian community.

“I am pleased that my colleagues joined me in calling out the outrageous and immoral attack on Armenia,” board member Scott Schmerelson, who sponsored the resolution, said in a statement. “Innocent Armenian civilians are dying as a result of this unprovoked attack on their country by Azerbaijan. It is important for people around the world to condemn the outrageous aggression.”

The resolution put forth by Schmerelson also called on the California State Teachers Retirement Fund to pull out of investments associated with the Republic of Turkey and for the Trump administration to unequivocally condemn Azerbaijan.

Earlier in the evening, during a discussion about giving students a day off to observe the Armenian Genocide, board member Jackie Goldberg said it’s critical for students to learn about the systemic killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Turks during World War I — an event which the Turkish government has never recognized.

By allowing students to have the day off, “we are saying to the community that cares about this so deeply that we want to make sure that your children and your families do not have to choose between going to schools and commemorating an important and vital historic event, an event that all of us should have learned from, perhaps (sic) might have prevented the Holocaust that came some years later,” Goldberg said.

LAUSD board members now join other local elected officials in publicly stating their support for the Armenian community. L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti has also condemned the latest violence overseas.



Urging a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh, Putin confirms Russia will fulfil defense-pact obligations to Armenia

RT – Russia Today
Oct 7 2020

Russian President Vladimir Putin has called the ongoing military face-off in disputed Nagorno-Karabakh a “tragedy” and has indicated his willingness to honor Russia’s long-standing mutual defense treaty with Armenia, if required.

Speaking to the Rossiya TV network, Putin noted that two million Azerbaijanis and over two million Armenians live in Russia, and that “a huge number of Russian citizens maintain close, friendly and even familial relations with both republics.”

“This is a tragedy,” the president said. “We are very worried, because Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Nagorno-Karabakh are all territories inhabited by people who are not strangers to us.”

Although Russia acts in an official capacity as a meditator of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, Yerevan and Moscow are officially allied as part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), along with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. According to the organization’s agreement, aggression against one CSTO member is perceived as aggression against all. Therefore, if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia territory, Russia is obliged to help out.

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“As you know, Armenia is a member of the CSTO, and we have certain obligations to Armenia under this agreement,” Putin explained. “To our great regret, the fighting is still going on, but it is not being conducted on the territory of Armenia.”

The president noted that Russia will continue to discharge all its obligations under the treaty, and has urged Yerevan and Baku to agree on a ceasefire.

Along with US President Donald Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron, Putin last week called for “an immediate cessation of hostilities between the relevant military forces.” Russia, the US, and France are chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, which is tasked with ending the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.

The dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia is decades old, with both countries believing they have strong claims over Nagorno-Karabakh. The region is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan, but is primarily populated by ethnic Armenians. Baku considers the enclave to be illegally occupied by Armenia. In the past fortnight, the war has again flared up.


‘How long will it last?’ Nagorno-Karabakh fighting rages on

Associated Press
Oct 7 2020
 
 
 
 
By AVET DEMOURIAN
 
YEREVAN, Armenia (AP) — The intense shelling in the separatist region of Nagorno-Karabakh is taking its toll on the civilian population as fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces showed no signs of abating Wednesday, with one resident hunkered down in a shelter exclaiming “How can one stand it? How long will it last?”
 
Clashes between Azerbaijani and Armenian forces in the region since Sept. 27 have killed hundreds in the worst escalation of hostilities since 1994 when a truce ended a war that raged for several years. Nagorno-Karabakh lies inside Azerbaijan but has been under the control of ethnic Armenian forces backed by Armenia for more than a quarter-century.
  
Stepanakert, the territory’s capital, has been under intense artillery barrage in recent days. Flashes of explosions could be seen from the city center on Tuesday night.
 
Local residents have been gathering in shelters to escape the violence, distraught over continued strikes on the city.
 
“Bombing … buildings and houses are destroyed. We are so afraid of it. How can one stand it? How long will it last?” Sida, one fearful resident who stayed in a shelter on Tuesday night, told The Associated Press without providing her full name.
 
Armenian Defense Ministry spokesman Artsrun Ovannisian said Wednesday that Stepanakert was being targeted once again by Azerbaijan along with other settlements. Nagorno-Karabakh officials said that civilian infrastructure and a few residential buildings in Stepanakert have been hit with missiles and drones.
 
Azerbaijan has rejected claims of targeting civilian infrastructure in Stepanakert. Hikmet Hajiyev, an Azerbaijani presidential aide, said in an interview earlier this week that Azerbaijani forces only targeted military objects in and around Stepanakert, acknowledging, however, that “some collateral damage” was possible.
 
The fighting in the region — involving heavy artillery, warplanes and drones — has continued despite numerous international calls for a cease-fire. Both sides have traded accusations of expanding the hostilities beyond Nagorno-Karabakh and of targeting civilians.
 
The Nagorno-Karabakh’s military said Wednesday that 320 of its soldiers have been killed in fighting since Sept. 27, while Azerbaijan hasn’t publicized its losses. Scores of civilians on both sides have also died.
 
The EU expressed concern Wednesday about the fighting.
 
“We have seen extremely worrying reports of attacks on populated areas which is taking a deadly toll on civilians. We strongly urge the sides to fully observe their international obligations to protect civilian populations,” EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell told members of the European Parliament.
 
He voiced concern about Azerbaijan’s determination to continue the fight until Armenia’s withdrawal from the region and a strong _expression_ of support for Azerbaijan from Turkey.
 
Borrell said that he had discussed the conflict with the foreign ministers of both countries, and with those of Russia and Turkey, the main regional players closest to the conflict. Turkey has publicly backed Azerbaijan in the conflict and said it was ready to provide military assistance, should Azerbaijan request it.
 
Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev hailed Turkish weapons in an interview with CNN-Turk broadcast Wednesday, noting that “Turkish drones have created a huge difference.”
 
“The Turkish defense industry has developed at such a speed that, I hope in the future, with the Turkish arms our military equipment will reach a higher level,” he added.
 
While praising his main ally Turkey, Aliyev also had warm words for Russia, which has a military base in Armenia but has sought to cultivate warm ties with both rivals.
 
“We have long historic relations with Russia,” Aliyev said. “Today, Russia has developed relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan. This is an important factor”
 
Russia, the United States and France are co-chairs of the so-called Minsk Group under the auspices of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, set up to mediate the conflict.
 
Azerbaijan’s foreign minister is set to attend a meeting of the Minsk group in Geneva on Thursday to present Baku’s position on the conflict.
 
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Associated Press writers Daria Litvinova and Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow, Aida Sultanova in Baku, Azerbaijan, Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, and Lorne Cook in Brussels, contributed to this report.
 
 
 
 
 
 

JP: Can Armenia-Azerbaijan military claims be compared to Israel’s past wars?

Jerusalem Post
Oct 7 2020
 
 
Can Armenia-Azerbaijan military claims be compared to Israel’s past wars?
 
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN   OCTOBER 7, 2020 20:24
 
 
The lopsided numbers shows what modern war looks like.
 
 
Azerbaijan and Armenian armed forces have been fighting for over a week and a half, and social media accounts linked to their respective defense ministries are engaged in an information war to make it appear as if the other side is losing heavily.
 
The numbers of tanks, vehicles and weapons each side claims to have destroyed is beginning to outpace some of the numbers on some fronts in the 1967 Six Day War – except with few of the actual gains on the ground to show for it.
  
Azerbaijan’s social media accounts now claim that it has destroyed up to 250 Armenian tanks and armored vehicles. They also say Azerbaijan has destroyed another 150 military vehicles, jeeps or supply trucks and neutralized 270 artillery pieces and multiple rocket launchers.
Baku also asserts it has hit more than 60 air defense systems, including an S-300 system, and smashed eight armories and 11 command and control centers.
The definition of an “air defense system” may be quite broad, considering some are only basic machine-gun emplacements. Since the numbers all seem to neatly end in a zero, it should be assumed they are estimated, or perhaps exaggerated.
Azerbaijan has released much drone footage showing the destruction of some 40 Armenian T-72 tanks, according to reports. This suggests that while the figures may be estimates or for propaganda purposes, there have been many losses on the Armenian side.
As for the Armenians, they claim to have destroyed whole divisions’ worth of Azeri materiel. Some 127 drones have been shot down, as well as 16 helicopters and 17 planes; four larger Smerch rocket launchers have been hit, and 416 Azerbaijan military vehicles have been destroyed.
The numbers also suggest that both sides have lost more than the Syrians and the Jordanians lost in 1967, although they have not yet outpaced the Egyptian front, where hundreds of Egyptian tanks and thousands of vehicles were destroyed or abandoned during fierce fighting in the Sinai peninsula.
Even if they are remotely accurate, the size of the losses illustrates the size and impact of the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh. It also illustrates how information warfare and propaganda spread through the media can make it appear that one side, or the other, has suffered devastating losses.
The number of UAVs, for instance, that Armenia claims to have downed is unprecedented. The number of artillery pieces that Azerbaijan says it has struck and air defense systems taken out is also more than in many past wars.
For instance, Israel’s operation in the Bekaa Valley in 1982, designed to suppress Syrian air defense in Lebanon, hit some 29 surface-to-air missile batteries; but if Baku is to be believed, it has now surpassed that number.
Israel destroyed the batteries in around two hours, but it has taken the Azeris a week or so. However, the use of drones by Azerbaijan – particularly loitering munitions, many of them Israeli made – illustrates the effectiveness of these weapons.
The lopsided numbers, whereby Azerbaijan claims to have destroyed much of Armenia’s air defenses, while Armenia claims to have downed much of Azerbaijan’s drone fleet, portrays the face of modern warfare. It is about using sensors to identify enemy positions, vehicles and targets, while the other side uses radar and electronic means to identify threats.
Both sides then seek a technological overmatch to neutralize the enemy’s platforms.
This can result in extremely lopsided conflicts, like the US waged against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in 1991. Once a side gains control of the air and can hunt down enemy tanks and air defenses, the enemy must rely on long-range rockets and other desperate means. Either way, the use of sensors to find and eliminate targets can make large armored forces vulnerable.  
The Azeris and Armenians are now finding out what other countries have learned in past conflicts: no plan survives after contact with an enemy force. Both sides brought different types of forces to the battlefield, but it is not clear whether one side has a major advantage.
Although the Armenians have been pushed back bit by bit, there is still a question when they will feel they have been strained to breaking point on the ground – or if their ability to resist will be enough to wear down Azerbaijan’s forces.