Armenian Citizen Arrested in Russia

ARMENIAN CITIZEN ARRESTED IN RUSSIA

KURGAN, AUGUST 22, ARMENIANS TODAY – NOYAN TAPAN. An Armenian citizen
wanted by the police of Belarus for a murder was arrested in the
Russian city of Kurgan.

Radio Liberty reported that according to information of the Kurgan
regional prosecutor’s office, the Armenian citizen (his name was not
given) was arrested during an attemp to steal a car. It turned out that
he was internationally wanted for committing a murder in Belarus.

The court imposed an arrest on the man, and he was transferred to an
isolation cell. The prosecutor’s office is now conducting checks, after
which a decision will be made to extradite the Armenian to Belarus.

http://www.nt.am/news.php?shownews=116599

Sargsyan: Strategic relns with Russia Not a hundrance to other relns

President of Armenia: Strategic relations with Russia have never
hindered development of Armenia’s efficient cooperation with regional
and extra-regional countries and international organizations

2008-08-23 21:15:00

ArmInfo. "If we cast a look at Armenia’s history, we’ll see that
friendship with Russia has never been a tool of necessity", Armenian
President Serzh Sargsyan said in his interview with the Austrian
newspaper "Der Standard", the Armenian presidential press-service
reports.

"It is needless to say that friendship can’t be forced, moreover,
friendship can’t be maintained by force. I don’t want to speak instead
of other countries, but at least in its relations with Russia Armenia
is extremely open, sincere and consistent", the president noted. He
stressed that the strategic relations with Russia never hindered
development of normal, efficient cooperation with regional and
extra-regional countries, as well as with international organizations.
This is proved by a number of joint programs with EU and NATO, dynamic
development of relations with European states, the USA and Iran,
Sargsyan added.

Just Causes: The Case For Humanitarian Intervention

JUST CAUSES: THE CASE FOR HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTION
Christopher Hitchens

Foreign Affairs Magazine
ay87512/christopher-hitchens/just-causes.html
Aug 20 2008

Freedom’s Battle: The Origins of Humanitarian Intervention. Gary
J. Bass. Knopf, 2008, 528 pp. $35.00.

Summary: Because borders are becoming ever more porous and contingent,
everyone has an interest in humanitarian intervention.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair and the author of
books on Cyprus, Iraq, the Kurds, the Palestinians, and Anglo-American
relations.

Debates and discussions about humanitarian intervention tend (for good
reasons) to be about American intervention. They also tend to share the
assumption that the United States can afford, or at any rate has the
power, to take or leave the option to get involved. On some occasions,
there may seem to be overwhelming moral grounds to quit the sidelines
and intervene. On others, the imperatives are less clear-cut. In all
instances, nothing exceptional should be contemplated unless it has at
least some congruence with the national interest. This interest can be
interpreted widely: Is it not to the United States’ advantage that,
say, the charter of the United Nations be generally respected? Or
the notion can be interpreted narrowly: If the United States had
intervened in 1994 in the Francophone central African context of the
genocide in Rwanda, then where would it not be asked to intervene?

In common with all such questions is the unspoken assumption that
Washington can make all the difference if it chooses to do so and
needs merely to be prudent and thoughtful before embarking on some
redemptive project in another country. But, as I read Gary Bass’
absorbing, well-researched, and frequently amusing book, I found
myself rotating a seldom-asked question in my head: What about the
days when the United States was the recipient, not the donor, of
humanitarian solidarity?

When one places in context all those sapient presidential remarks
about the danger of "entangling alliances" (Thomas Jefferson) or
the reluctance to go abroad "in search of monsters to destroy" (John
Quincy Adams), as Bass helps readers do, it becomes clear that they
belonged to a time when America and Americans were in a poor position
to conduct any intervention at all. It was no more than common sense
to exercise restraint and concentrate on building up the homeland —
while exploiting the quarrels between the British, French, and Spanish
empires to do so. This constraint must have been felt very keenly at
least until the closing third of the nineteenth century, after which it
was possible to begin thinking of the United States as a global power.

But then remember what most people forget: how much international
humanitarian intervention the United States had required in order
to get that far. Not all of the aid to the fledgling 13 colonies
was entirely disinterested — the French monarchy’s revenge for
its earlier defeats in North America being an obvious motive. But
the French did not overstay their welcome, and they did supply,
in the form of Lafayette in particular, the model of the latter-day
"international brigade" volunteer, often symbolized by Lord Byron
or, more contentiously perhaps, those English literati who fought in
defense of the Spanish republic between 1936 and 1939.

Many also forget that the international campaign in solidarity with
the Union under the Lincoln presidency rallied at a time when it
was entirely possible that the United Kingdom might have thrown
its whole weight behind the Confederacy and even moved troops from
Canada to hasten the partition of a country half slave and half
free. This is often forgotten, I suggest, because the movement of
solidarity was partly led by Karl Marx and his European allies (as was
gratefully acknowledged by Henry Adams in his Education) and because
the boycott of Confederate goods, the blocking of shipbuilding orders
for the Confederate fleet, and other such actions were to some degree
orchestrated by the founders of the communist movement — not the
sort of thing that is taught in school when Abraham Lincoln is the
patriotic subject. Marx and Friedrich Engels hugely admired Lincoln
and felt that just as Russia was the great arsenal of backwardness,
reaction, and superstition, the United States was the land of potential
freedom and equality.

Now that all other examples of political revolution have become
obsolete or have been discredited, the issue is whether the United
States is indeed a different sort of country or nation, one that has
a creed or an ethic that imposes special duties on it. One way I like
to answer this question is by pointing out that if the United States
had not been its host and patron in 1945, there would have been no
United Nations. The original principles of the organization had to do
almost entirely with war and peace, law and (through the International
Monetary Fund and the World Bank) finance. But all its new members
also found themselves invited to sign the Universal Declaration of
Human Rights, originally drafted by Eleanor Roosevelt, and there is
no question that U.S. influence lay behind this suggestion. By means
of this and a number of other incremental steps, the United States
has found itself becoming inexorably committed to upholding a certain
standard of what its critics would call idealism.

THE RIGHTS OF MEN

Bass reaches a considerable distance into the past in order to
demonstrate that this argument is not at all new and that idealism
and realism are not as diametrically opposed as some would have one
think; indeed, very often they complement each other. Bass opens by
expending a lot of ink on the prototype of the "just cause" and of
the Romantic movement: the struggle of the Greeks to be free of the
Ottoman Empire. As an old philhellene myself (I have served on two
active committees for the liberation of Cyprus and the return of the
so-called Elgin Marbles), I thought I knew this subject well, but
Bass provides a trove of fresh material, as well as fresh insight,
concerning this exciting period of the early 1820s and the neglected
topic of the United States’ involvement in it. Let me try and do
justice to his presentation.

First of all, and not merely judging with the benefit of hindsight,
one should consider how likely it was that the Greeks would have
continued as subjects of the Ottoman Empire — in other words, as a
bastard form of Christian Turks. Not at all likely, really, which is
to say that there was a prima facie case to be made that outsiders
had a shrewd interest in supporting a cause that was probably going
to be ultimately victorious. Second, if the Greeks did not win,
then the Turks would, and this in turn would be a victory for the
Turkophile Metternich-Castlereagh-Wellington forces in the rest
of Europe. In other words, in this case, as in others, failing to
help one side was the same thing, strategically as well as morally,
as helping the other. (It is not as if famous American "realists"
theoretically opposed to intervention have not also embroiled
the United States in some grave foreign quarrels in their time,
from Cambodia to Chile to, indeed, Cyprus.) Third, there were some
"balance of power" questions that, even though they arose out of
what the otherwise philhellenic Jefferson called "the broils of
Europe," still had implications for the United States. Only the
fear of entanglement in such "broils," Jefferson wrote to a Greek
correspondent in 1823, "could restrain our generous youth from taking
some part in this holy cause." James Madison was more affirmative,
writing that year to President James Monroe and Jefferson that he
favored an American declaration, in concert with other countries, such
as the United Kingdom, in support of the Greeks. And the ethnologist,
American diplomat, and former U.S. treasury secretary Albert Gallatin
proposed what Bass writes "would have been the United States’ first
humanitarian intervention." He did so in distinctly ironic tones,
suggesting that Greece be aided by the United States’ "naval force
in the Mediterranean — one frigate, one corvette, and one schooner."

This was even less of a navy than the Greek rebels could call on,
but the point — not dwelled on by Bass, alas — is that only a
few years previously, Jefferson had sent the navy, as well as the
newly created U.S. Marine Corps, to shatter the Ottoman fleets that
were both enslaving American crews and passengers and denying free
trade through the Strait of Gibraltar. The move had led to a huge
increase in American prestige as well as to vastly enhanced maritime
commerce. Why should the two thoughts not occur again at the same
time in the same minds?

In the end, then Secretary of State Adams carried the day (against that
improbable champion of liberty: the slavery apologist John Calhoun, who
was then secretary of war), and the United States did not go abroad in
search of a chance to destroy the monster of Turkish imperialism. As
if in compensation, however, the White House proclaimed the Monroe
Doctrine, which denounced the "odious and criminal" slave trade,
and freely issued warm expressions for the future of Greek statehood.

It is very often by these sorts of crabwise steps and political
tradeoffs that the United States finds that it has — perhaps in
a fit of absence of mind — avoided one humanitarian commitment by
implicitly adopting other ones. These days, this happens every time
someone who wants to leave, say, a Saddam Hussein alone is rash enough
to wonder out loud what should be done about Darfur, Myanmar (also
known as Burma), Tibet, or Zimbabwe. History has a way of adopting such
taunts or at least of playing them back to their originators. And this,
as Bass shows, is how the international community has gradually moved
from double or multiple standards to something like a more intelligible
and single one.

SOVEREIGN SOVEREIGNTIES

It is either unfortunate or significant — and probably both — that
so many of Bass’ early examples have to do with confrontations between
a Christian (or liberal) West and a Muslim (or imperial) Turkey. In
addition to the Greek case, there is the European powers’ protracted
intervention in Syria between 1841 and 1861 to underwrite and guarantee
the lives and freedoms of the Christian minority there, which resulted
in the country’s partition — or, if one prefers, the emergence of
a quasi-independent Lebanon. This was followed in depressingly swift
succession by British Prime Minister William Gladstone’s campaign for
the cause of the martyred Bulgarians in the 1870s and U.S. Ambassador
Henry Morgenthau’s extraordinary dispatches in the early months of
World War I about what Morgenthau called the "race murder" of the
Armenians by the Ottomans. (Even though I do not really believe in
the category of "race," I find this term more dramatic and urgent
than the legal scholar Raphael Lemkin’s "genocide.") At any rate,
an amateur reader — or perhaps a resentful Muslim one — could be
pardoned for taking away the idea that the West’s views of human
rights and humanitarian intervention were formed in opposition to
the manifest cruelties and depredations of "the Turk," or, as he was
sometimes called, "the Mussulman." In fact, the fight over Jerusalem
and its status seems to have gone on for longer than most people know,
the 1853-56 Crimean War that opposed the Russian empire to the British,
French, and Ottoman empires being only one of many occasions when
Christian states have fought one another for control over the holy
sites of Palestine.

The argument over sovereignty and legitimacy, or the argument
from the Peace of Westphalia, as it has come to be known by
post-Metternichians such as Henry Kissinger, was very familiar in the
mid-nineteenth century. In the United Kingdom, which was the fount
of most of these claims and their transmitter to the United States,
the difference between those who invoked sovereignty and those who
scorned it as a cloak for despotism and aggression was very nearly
a stand-in for the difference between Tory and Whig. There is not,
in most of Europe, any equivalent of the American tradition of
right-wing isolationists, from Charles Lindbergh to Pat Buchanan:
Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington, and British Prime Minister
Benjamin Disraeli, who despised the philhellenes as poetry-sodden
subversives, were robustly unhypocritical about wanting the Turks to
win, and especially enthusiastic about this should it inconvenience
the Russians. Not everyone was an Islamophobe.

Bass is most often but not always fair to those who do not share
his view. In citing British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s
notorious description of events in Czechoslovakia in 1938 as "a
quarrel in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing,"
Bass argues that Chamberlain "shrugged off" Hitler’s invasion of the
Sudetenland. In fact, Chamberlain was trying for a tragic note, saying
how ghastly it was that Britons should be digging air-raid trenches for
such an arcane reason. And this same man was later to issue a military
guarantee to Poland that was much more quixotic than any stand taken
on the Sudetenland might have been. Neither he nor any other Tory
of the 1930s would have hesitated for a second to dispatch British
troops to any part of Africa or Asia, however "faraway" or unknown,
if doing so would have served the needs of empire. It is mainly the
retrospective guilt of the Final Solution, and the shared failure of
the Allied powers to do anything to prevent it, that invests arguments
such as Bass’ with the tension and anxiety that surround them today. I
think that many rational people would applaud the defeat of German
imperialism in 1945 on grounds more than merely humanitarian.

Yet here is the journalist Robert Kaplan, cited by Bass, in the
immediate aftermath of the attacks of September 11, 2001: "Foreign
policy must return to what it traditionally has been: the diplomatic
aspect of national security rather than a branch of Holocaust
studies." Kaplan was arguing, by means of this rather jarring contrast,
that the humanitarian interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo had been
"luxuries." But this runs the risk of making a distinction without
much, if any, difference. Did the United States not have a national
security interest, and NATO an interest of its own, in forcibly
repressing the idea that ethnic cleansing, within sight of Hungary and
Romania and Greece and Turkey and many other combustible local rivals,
could be rewarded and that its perpetrators might go unpunished? Was
not some valuable combat experience — and, indeed, nation-building
experience — thereby gained? Were not some flaws and weaknesses in
the post-Cold War international system, most notably those of the
United Nations, rather usefully exposed? And then, a few years later,
were the United States’ hardheaded interests in Afghanistan not to
be considered connected to the liberation of the Afghans themselves
from medieval tyranny? These and other questions are not novel. They
have a long and honorable pedigree, as Bass’ book demonstrates.

Bass rightly points out that interventions are not invariably
mere simulacra of, or surrogates for, superpower or imperial
rivalries. (Thinking that they are is the mistake currently being
made by the vulgar apologists for China, Iran, and Russia, three
countries that opportunistically are seeking to ally themselves in the
Shanghai Cooperation Organization but that denounce all human rights
initiatives taken by others as colonial.) I wish Bass had found more
space to debate the pros and cons of smaller-scale, nonsuperpower
interventions: Tanzania’s invasion of Idi Amin’s Uganda, for instance,
or the Vietnamese overthrow of the Khmer Rouge, both in 1979. But he
does mention what he calls the role of the regional "middleweight"
in more modern times, such as the part played by Australia in East
Timor’s transition to independence.

REGARDING THE PAIN OF OTHERS

Bass has a considerable gift of phrase — even though one might not
rush to adopt his term "atrocitarian" as a nickname for those revolted
by acts of genocide. He also has a jaunty flair for recognizing such
cynicism in others: it is not without relish that he cites Disraeli’s
dismissal of "merciless humanitarians." And he is no Mrs. Jellyby,
fretting only about the miseries of Borrioboola-Gha while ignoring
shrieks for mercy from under his own window. On the whole, he makes
a sensible case that everyone has a self-interest in the strivings
and sufferings of others because the borders between societies
are necessarily porous and contingent and are, when one factors in
considerations such as the velocity of modern travel, easy access to
weaponry, and the spread of disease, becoming ever more so. Americans
may not have known or cared about Rwanda in 1994, for instance,
but the effect of its crisis on the Democratic Republic of the Congo
could have been even more calamitous. Afghanistan’s internal affairs
are now the United States’ — in fact, they were already so before
Americans understood that. A failed state may not trouble Americans’
sleep, but a rogue one can, and the transition from failed to rogue
can be alarmingly abrupt.

TAKING A STAND

The lines from which the title of Bass’ book is taken are drawn
from Byron:

For Freedom’s battle once begun,<br> Bequeathed by bleeding Sire to
Son,<br> Though baffled oft is ever won.

These were posted by a militant of Solidarity in the Lenin Shipyard
in Gdansk in 1980. Could the West’s rational interest in defeating
Soviet imperialism have been accomplished without the unquantifiable
element represented by such gestures?

At the same time, I think that Bass occasionally says the right thing
just because it sounds good. "The value of stability is that it saves
lives," he writes, and quotes Woodrow Wilson in support: "Social reform
can take place only when there is peace." Yet much of the evidence of
his book shows that war and conflict are absolutely needful engines
for progress and that arguments about human rights, humanitarian
intervention, and the evolution of international laws and standards
are all, in the last resort, part of a clash over what constitutes
civilization, if not invariably a clash between civilizations.

Especially chilling to me, whether it is intentional or not, is the
appearance of new foes in old forms. In 1831, after tsarist Russia
had crushed an independent Poland, the poet Aleksandr Pushkin wrote a
minatory "Hands off!" verse, essentially warning the Western powers
to stay out of eastern Europe. This thuggish literary effort was
revived in 1999 by Russia’s then foreign minister, Igor Ivanov,
who loudly cited Pushkin as he cautioned NATO against intervening
in Kosovo. Bass argues, I think rather dangerously, that the first
occasion was a tragedy and the second one a farce — in other words,
that there are times when despotisms are too strong to be stood up
to and others when their bluff can be called. Surely, identifying
the situation that is appropriate for intervention is both an art
and a science, but history has taught us that tyranny often looks
stronger than it really is, that it has unexpected vulnerabilities
(very often to do with the blunt fact that tyranny, as such, is
incapable of self-analysis), and that taking a stand on principle,
even if not immediately rewarded with pragmatic results, can be an
excellent dress rehearsal for the real thing.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080901fareviewess

Children Of Armenia Fund: Summing Up

CHILDREN OF ARMENIA FUND: SUMMING UP

Panorama.am
16:12 20/08/2008

"The main purpose of COAF is to reduce poverty in Armenia, and make
better conditions for children by immediate conduction of useful and
positive arrangements for kids and youth," the press secretary of
the Fund Inessa Grigoryan said during her meeting with journalists.

This year the fifth anniversary of Children of Armenia Fund, COAF
is celebrated. Summing up the work of the organization, the director
of COAF Karo Armen said that during 2004-2005 his company conducted
several programs in different areas of Armenia, among them "Model
Community" and "Model township". In the agenda of these programs was
the reconstruction of schools, nurseries and sport committee buildings.

Note that in the light of the fifth anniversary of the Fund, the
sponsors, benefactors and committee members of COAF will make a visit
to Armenia on 22-25 August. In frames of their visit an audience at
RA prime-minister residence is also expected.

Book Review: A Gift In The Sunlight: An Armenian Story

A GIFT IN THE SUNLIGHT: AN ARMENIAN STORY

The Tribune
Aug 19 2008
TX

This well told story of Armenian genocide perpetrated by Turks in 1915
is told by the granddaughter of one of the survivors. The chapters are
short and while written as a novel is based on a true story. It could
be read by girls in high school as it is clean but gripping. Such
stories are never pleasant but sometimes we need to be reminded of
historic events and see how history is being repeated as in Kosovo
and Darfur. We’re all members of the human race and as such we all
suffer when even the least does. How blessed we are to live in the
United States!

From Turkey To Armenia Without Entrance Visa

FROM TURKEY TO ARMENIA WITHOUT ENTRANCE VISA

Panorama.am
20:06 14/08/2008

The Government of Armenia affirmed the project to allow visits
from Turkey to Armenia without entrance visa in September 1-6 by
the initiative of the Chief Policeman Alik Sargsyan. Note that the
decision is connected with the upcoming football meeting of Armenian
and Turkish teams.

"The adoption of the project is important for the football fans to
be present at their favorites’ meeting," said A. Sargsyan.

To the Prime Minister’s question whether it is not too early to define
the project from September 1, the Chief Policeman said that 20-25 000
citizens of Turkey are expected to visit Armenia and most probably
some will prefer to have some tours round the city for more days.

Ankara: Turkey Refutes Claims Ukraine Flight Denied Air Access

TURKEY REFUTES CLAIMS UKRAINE FLIGHT DENIED AIR ACCESS

Hürriyet
Wednesday, August 13, 2008 14:57
Turkey

The Turkish Foreign Ministry denied news reports claiming that Turkey
did not allow a Ukrainian plane carrying humanitarian aid from Kiev
to Georgia to use its air space.

Turkey has so far accepted all flight requests regarding the evacuation
of people from the region and for humanitarian aid transfer to
Georgia, Burak Ozugergin, spokesman for the ministry, said in a
written statement.

"It was understood that the mentioned flight failed due to problems
in Georgian air space. Now, such flights are diverted to Yerevan,
Armenia, because of the problems in Georgian air space. Also, the
flights between Armenia and Russia via Georgia begin following the
route over Turkey because of the same problems," he was quoted by
the state-run Anatolian Agency as saying.

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Volodymyr Ohryzko had earlier said a
plane loaded with humanitarian relief bound for Georgia could not
reach its destination, as Turkey closed its air corridor, according
to some reports in Ukranian media.

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Tuesday Map: Georgia’s Google Vanishing Act

TUESDAY MAP: GEORGIA’S GOOGLE VANISHING ACT

Foreign Policy Passport
Tue, 08/12/2008 – 6:12pm

As if Georgia didn’t have enough to deal with, yesterday the country’s
cities and transportation routes completely disappeared from Google
Maps. Reportedly wanting to keep its cyber territory conflict-neutral,
Google removed all of Georgia’s details from its maps, making the
war-torn nation look like a ghostly white blob flanked by Russia
and Turkey. Georgia, though, isn’t the only country going blank on
Google: neighboring Armenia and Azerbaijan–who have their own ongoing
terrorital dispute over the Nagorno-Karabakh region–are coming up
empty too.

Some online commenters speculate that the allegiances of Google’s
Russian-born co-founder Sergey Brin might have something to do with
Georgia’s disappearance. That’s pretty doubtful, but it’s possible
that Google doesn’t want their software used for military purposes.

But Google has helped out Georgia in one major way, providing (albeit
"involuntarily") Georgian sites with a "cyber-refuge" from Russian
hackers. News service Civil Georgia as well as the country’s Ministry
of Foreign Affairs have started using the Google-owned site Blogger
to post updates and press releases on the conflict.

Update: Google denies that it has made any changes to the map:

"We do not have local data for those countries and that is why local
details such as landmarks and cities do not appear."

Looks like we may have gotten a bit ahead of ourselves, though as
NYT’s Miguel Helf notes, Google does seem to have plenty of "local
data" about Georgia in its Google Earth program.

Armenia’s Rail Communication With Georgia Has Not Been Affected By G

ARMENIA’S RAIL COMMUNICATION WITH GEORGIA HAS NOT BEEN AFFECTED BY GEORGIA FIGHTING

ARMENPRESS
Aug 12, 2008

YEREVAN, AUGUST 12, ARMENPRESS: Transport and Communication Minister
Gurgen Sargsian said today Armenia’s rail communication with Georgia
has not been affected by the fighting in Georgia. "There have been
no changes in the train schedule and trains from Yerevan to Tbilisi
and Batumi continue to run as planned," he said today to journalists.

He said all Armenia-bound goods that were at Bagratashen crossing on
the border with Georgia were brought to Armenia, including ten railways
cars with petrol, 12 cars with kerosene for aircrafts, 11 cars with
diesel fuel, 4 cars with wheat and 24 cars with different commodities.

According to the minister, there are 18 cars with Armenia-bound wheat
now in Georgia. He said the wheat was unloaded two days ago at Poti
port into railway cars and will arrive soon in Armenia.

He said thousands of Armenian citizens had been already evacuated
from Georgia by buses and minibuses. The convoys of Armenian evacuees,
led by Georgian police patrols, move along the road that runs through
Georgia’s Armenian- populated Javakheti region to the Bavra border
crossing in northwestern Armenia, he said.

Matthew Bryza Again Refutes Words, Spread On His Behalf

MATTHEW BRYZA AGAIN REFUTES WORDS, SPREAD ON HIS BEHALF

Today.Az
07 August 2008 [12:27]

It is already not funny. It is more like a soap opera, which can be
called "The tragedy of a diplomat".

The point is that US co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group Matthew Bryza
again refuted words, spread by journalists on his behalf. Matthew
Bryza seems to add to the history of the world diplomacy as a person,
whose words were constantly "distorted" and which he had to refute.

If previously in Armenia he rebutted the words, spread by Azerbaijani
journalists and in Azerbaijan by Armenians, this time, he trapped
Russian media representatives, if exactly, Interfax news agency. The
point is M.Bryza’s statement, spread by Interfax, according to which
he said "Karabakh residents will decide themselves whether they will
fall under Azerbaijan’s jurisdiction or no".

In his interview to BBC Azerbaijan press service, M.Bryza said his
words had been distorted and misinterpreted.

The full text of M.Bryza’s interview to BBC is given below. We do
hope that the US co-chair will not say that journalists of this world
famous radio have distorted his words again.

– People who read just a part of my interview to Interfax, had
drawn wrong conclusions, as it does not contain the details of the
affais. Therefore, they do not take into account some details. People
in Azerbaijan consider that I have said that Nagorno Karabakh residents
will soon determine their fate. In the reality, I have said that
there is a large package of proposals. These are just proposals from
the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs.

These proposals include withdrawal of Armenian troops from seven
regions around Nagorno Karabakh, return of Azerbaijani IDP, deployment
of peacekeeping forces and creation of a certain kind of communication
between Armenia and Karabakh.

It can also include a kind of voting. I can not say it may be a
referendum or a plebiscite or a form of voting to involve Nagorno
Karabakh residents.It may occur in the future, of which we can not
speak now. But it may occur only after IDP return to their homes. It
was also stated by Novruz Mamedov.

The details of this voting have not been defined yet. Voting details
can be defined only in the framework of any major agreement. It
means that nothing has been coordinated before the full package
has been coordinated. We do not force anyone to accept any
version of the resolution, we just make our proposals. Agreement
on the status of Nagorno Karabakh can be reached only between
Azerbaijan and Armenia. The parties should reach the consensus
independently. Otherwise, there is no sense of proposals, made by
the co-chairs.

– Mr.Bryza, Interfax reads quoting on you that "Karabakh residents
should decide whether to fall under Azerbaijan’s jurisdiction or
no". But Azerbaijan says that regardless of the form of a peaceful
agreement Nagorno Karabakh must remain part of Azerbaijan. A referendum
or a voting can only define the status of Nagorno Karabakh’s remaining
a part of Azerbaijan.

Perhaps, the government of Azerbaijan reacted so sharply to it,
therefore…

– If Interfax has published something, it does not mean that it is
exactly like that. I spend too much time on distorted words and
wrong quotes. In this case we become the witnesses of incorrect
interpretation of my words.

The reality is that we base our work on the territorial integrity
and that is all.

– Cannot any referendum change it?

– We recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. This
international principle has a high diplomatic status. At the same
time, there are political, not jural, but political principles,
important for the Armenian side. If an agreement is reached, it means
both parties should sign it. The parties should reach an agreement
on the previously confirmed platform that is on the basis of the
territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. But this agreement should also
envision political agreements important for the other party. We are
currently working on this agreement.

– Perhaps, this event shows the difference in positions of the parties
during the resolution of Nagorno Karabakh conflict. Which progress
has been attained as compared to the last year?

– It is a founded question. We have not reached any serious
achievements through the past year, as this year was full of
cataclysms. Elections in Armenia, ending in tragic violence,
were shocking. It caused the need to establish familiarization
contacts between Azerbaijani and Armenian Presidents and the Foreign
Ministers. And it really took place.

The Presidents called the meeting in Saint Petersburg constructive. It
is now possible to say that the process has returned to its normal
course. But it can still be said that no significant progress has
been attained on fundamental issues through the past year. Now it
is possible to hold serious discussions between the leaders of the
two countries.

– Mr.Bryza, have you contacted the Foreign Ministry of Azerbaijan
regarding the interview in the Interfax and given any explanation?

– Certainly, I have.

– Why wasn’t your answer made public?

– This question should be addressed to them. But I am sure that
Azerbaijan is aware of our position. The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry
is familiarized with these proposals and they are aware of my position
and trust me. I am satisfied with it. The most important is that the
citizens of the two countries, officials of the Foreign Ministry or
simply citizens, concerned with this issue, should realize the only
thing: resolution is impossible without compromise.

Therefore, in both countries the debates should be more open. The
realities should be widely taken into account. Both parties should
get used to the idea of conceding and getting something. Yet the
concessions and obtainment should be based on the principles of the
territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

– Mr.Bryza, Azerbaijani press often publishes critical articles,
addressed to you. According to them, M.Bryza says one thing in Armenia
and different things in Azerbaijan and then complains that his words
have been distorted.

Do you plan to take any explanations on it?

– I think the main problem is the interpretation of my words. In some
cases I sent my remarks to Armenian and Azerbaijani journalists in
English. They mistranslated my words. I think my words are initially
translated from one language into another and then into a third
one. After it my words are interpreted either by translators or
journalists. At the same time, wrong and distorted variants of my
words are published. It is only left to correct them.

I am quite consistent in what I say. I have been the co-chair for
already two years and through this period I have always been consistent
in my statements. Therefore, I can only ask journalists to do their
work. If they have questions they may address to me again and I can
clarify the questions.

I understand that both journalists and translators can make
mistakes. We all can make mistakes.

If there is a mistake, it is my duty to correct it. But I am consistent
in my statements and I am well aware of proposals, aimed at the
resolution of the conflict. I am also one of the authors of these
proposals. In the end I want to say that these issues may create a
stir, both politically and emotionally. Sometimes, some translators
and journalists hear only the moments, they want to hear. The current
case is an example of it.

I read the first article regarding this interview on Friday, upon my
return from the meeting in Moscow. It reads: "Bryza says referendum
on Karabakh will be held". These words do not reflect what I said. I
spoke of the voting process. We do not know which form the voting
will have and whether it will be held at all.

As terminology is unclear, it should be defined. We do not know the
possible terms of possible voting. Therefore, some people hear about
the concept of voting and say that we want it to occur. Therefore,
they interpret it as "referendum".