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FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAS NO ALTERNATIVE

Today «not really free» Armenian citizens gathered at the monument to
Komitas with the belief that the freedom should become real. Today a
recurrent rally in support of `A1+’ TV Co initiated by a number of public
organizations was held. Participator of the Turning Point forum Gayane
Markosyan said that problems in our country can be solved via public
rebellion and assistance.

The actions in support of A1+ have been carried out for already 10 days.
Over 3200 citizens signed under the demand to publish the list of free
frequencies and conduct a fair tender.

Leader of Cooperation in the Name of Democracy public organization Stepan
Danielyan stated, «All the same, we will win, the freedom of speech has no
alternative. Today an initiative group to find out what happened to the
equipment confiscated from the car belonging to «A1+» Company. To remind,
the car was taken to penalty ground after the procession on the occasion of
the 3-rd anniversary of depriving the company of air.

4117 Free, 5658 Paid Places in Higher Schools in New Academic Year

THERE WILL BE 4117 FREE AND 5658 PAID PLACES IN HIGHER SCHOOLS IN NEW
ACADEMIC YEAR

YEREVAN, APRIL 11, NOYAN TAPAN. During the April 7 sitting of RA
government the free (4117) and paid (5658) places of higher schools
were approved in accordance with educational institutions and
specialities of 2005-2006 academic year. It was fixed that in
2005-2006 admission to state higher schools will be carried out by a
bimodal system with application of the principle of supplying with
student manuals. Sergo Yeritsian, RA Minister of Education and
Science, was instructed to assign the additional places of admission
on paid basis (without a right of deferment from compulsory military
service) to educational institutions and specialities. According to
the Press Service of RA government, by the government decree in
2005-2006 10% of free places in state higher schools will be allocated
for citizens who demobilized from compulsory military service.

Massaker weggeschaut; Kaiserreich War Das Bundnis wichtiger als dieA

Süddeutsche Zeitung
12. April 2005

“The massacres overlooked: The alliance was more important to the
empire than the Armenians”

Beim Massaker weggeschaut; Dem Kaiserreich war das Bündnis wichtiger
als die Armenier

Mitschuldig” am Völkermord an den Armeniern “durch Billigung”, so
lautet das Urteil von Wolfgang Gust über das deutsche Kaiserreich,
den Weltkriegs-Verbündeten der Osmanen. Der frühere Spiegel-Redakteur
hat die Akten des Auswärtigen Amts vor allem der Jahre 1915/16,
soweit noch vorhanden, ausgewertet. Die Deutschen waren gut
informiert über die “Zwangsumsiedlung” von über einer Million
Armeniern, die zum Massenmord und Massensterben wurde.
Augenzeugenberichte im Ton des ehrlichen Entsetzens wurden von
deutschen Konsuln aus den anatolischen Provinzen an den Botschafter
in Konstantinopel und nach Berlin gekabelt, wo Bündnisinteressen aber
einer humanitären Intervention entgegenstanden. So lief ins Leere,
was da in grausigen Details geschildert wurde von Mord, Folter und
Vergewaltigung, wie vom “schamlosen” Raubzug an Hab und Gut der
Armenier. Bisweilen klang dabei allerdings schon ein Ton durch, der
später viel lauter werden sollte. So dichtete Hans Freiherr von
Wangenheim, 1915 Botschafter in Konstantinopel, den Armeniern die
Fähigkeit an, das ganze Wirtschaftsleben an sich zu reißen, “gleich
den Juden”. Als der Wangenheim-Nachfolger Paul Graf Wolff-Metternich
im Dezember 1915 Berlin doch bat, “den Unmut über die
Armenier-Verfolgung zum Ausdruck kommen zu lassen”, beschied ein
erboster Reichskanzler Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg, “unser einziges
Ziel ist, die Türkei bis zum Ende des Krieges an unserer Seite zu
halten, gleichgültig, ob darüber Armenier zu Grunde gehen oder
nicht”. Die Dokumente können auch eine Mahnung sein, die Empörung
über die Türkei zu dämpfen, die sich so zögerlich und ängstlich der
eigenen Geschichte stellt. Die Mitwisserschaft an den Morden wird als
deutsches Thema erst entdeckt.

Dazu leistet Gusts Fleißarbeit einen wesentlichen Beitrag. Des
gelegentlichen höhnischen Tonfalls hätte es dabei gar nicht bedurft.
Die Dokumente sprechen für sich. In der Türkei hat die kritische
Betrachtung von 1915/16 begonnen. Gusts Buch kann dabei das Argument
entkräften, deutsche Archive bewahrten ihr Geheimnis.

CHRISTIANE SCHLÖTZER

WOLFGANG GUST (Hrsg.): Der Völkermord an den Armeniern 1915/16.
Dokumente aus dem Politischen Archiv des deutschen Auswärtigen Amts.
Zu Klampen Verlag, Springe 2005. 700 Seiten, 39,80 Euro.

ANYC to Raise Issue of Condemning Arm. Genocide at EU Congress

ANYC TO RAISE ISSUE OF ADOPTING RESOLUTION CONVICTING ARMENIAN
GENOCIDE AT EUF CONGRESS TO BE HELD IN BRUSSELS ON APRIL 21-23

YEREVAN, APRIL 11, NOYAN TAPAN. Representatives of the Armenia
National Youth Council (ANYC) will raise issue of adopting resolution
convicting the Armenian Great Genocide within the framework of of the
General Assembly of the European Youth Forum (EYF) to be held in
Brussels on April 21-23, Vazgen Khachikian, the YNCA Chairman informed
the Noyan Tapan correspondent. A preliminary consent to organize a
youth meeting in Istambul in April was acquired last year at the EUF
Congress in Madrid. During the meeting, according to Vazgen
Khachikian, the Armenian party was also intended to raise the issue of
Genocide. But this meeting was postponed and terms of meeting to be
held in Istambul will also be discussed at the Congress in Brussels.

Union of Financiers of Armenia Considers Necessary Const. Reform

UNION OF FINANCIERS OF ARMENIA CONSIDERS IT NECESSARY TO
CONSTITUTIONALLY FIX POLITICAL INDEPENDENCE OF COMMUNITIES

YEREVAN, APRIL 11, NOYAN TAPAN. The April 8 seminar organized by the
Union of Financiers of Armenia was dedicated to the discussion of the
constitutional reforms concerning local self-government bodies.

According to Mkrtich Gimishian, Chairman of the Union of Financiers of
Armenia, these reforms are to provide the solution of 3 main problems
– political independence of communities, financial-technical
independence and accuracy of inter-relations between state government
and local self-government. At the same time M.Gimishian mentioned that
the current Constitution provides a number of guarantees of
implementation of the local self-government, including exact
differentiation of local self-government bodies and independence from
state government, the right of communities to dispose of their
property, right to their own budget and right to independent solution
of communal problems. According to him, these provisions are not only
to be preserved but to be developed in the new Constitution. And as
for the suggested provision, according to which regional administration
heads get a right to deprive communal heads of their authorities,
M.Gimishian considered it inadmissible. M.Gimishian considered it
necessary to constitutionally fix the authorities of communities and
minimal frames of financial resources, political independence of
communities, excluding the warrant of expressing distrust to community
heads by the government, to provide the judicial protectability of
communities making them a subject of the right of applying to to the
Constitutional Court.

Another farce in neighboring country

Another farce in neighboring country

Edotorial

Yerkir/arm
8 April 05

In its March 29 issue, the Baku-based newspaper Zerkalo said that a
new organization, called Western Azerbaijani Liberation Front, has
been established.

Its chairman Rizvan Talibov has said his organization is neither
pro-governmental nor opposition, and that its only goal is to have the
international community finally recognize the rights of the “western”
Azeris over the territories of the Republic of Armenia, and the Azeris
who had fled Armenia in 1988 could return to their homes.

Talibov has also noted that although many of his organization’s
members are well-know politicians and businessmen they would not be
actively involved in the parliamentary elections due this fall. Thus,
the azeris who have announced themselves as owners of the present
Armenia, are trying to destruct the international community and the
Azerbijani public from the hot political issues of the fall.

This is, however, not the only incident of the Azerbaijani cynicism. A
branch of the Karabakh International Foundation was established in
Baku, according to Zerkalo.

Furthermore, in its March 31 issue, Zerkalo wrote that a seminar was
organized by the so-called Karabakh Liberation Organization and the
so-called Khojalu Genocide Organization to discuss “the genocide of
the Azerbaijani people perpetrated by the Dashnak government of
Armenia in March of 1918.” Speaking in the seminar, the KLO leader,
Akif Nagi, said that such discussions should be held more frequently
in Azerbaijan so that the international community and public realize
that the Armenians committed a crime in 1918.

One thing is quite clear; the Azerbaijani authorities are attempting
to kill two birds with one stone: deceive its own people, and distract
the international community from the Armenian Cause on the eve of the
Genocide’s 90th anniversary and alleviate the Turkish brothers’ crime
with a formula “we did it but you did it too.”

BAKU: Freedom House report sparks outcry

Freedom House report sparks outcry

AzerNews
6-15 April 05

The Freedom House organization has published its “Freedom in the
World” index using a 7-point scale. Countries rated between 1 and 2.5
points were rated as ‘free’, 3 and 5 points ‘partly free’, and 5.5-7
points as ‘not free’, based on the criteria of political rights and
civil liberties.

89 countries were rated as free, 54 partly free and 49 countries as
‘not free’. Thus, 1.189 billion people live in free countries, while
about 2.819 billion in partly free countries and some 2.387 people
in unfree countries.

Compared to 1974, the number of free countries more than doubled,
as only 41 countries were rated as free at the time. Since then,
6 more countries were added to the “partly free” category, while the
number of unfree countries decreased from 63 to 49.

46 countries received the highest rating (1 point), with Estonia
being the only former Soviet Union republic included in this
category. Armenia received 4.5 points, while Georgia and Moldova –
3.5 points. Other CIS (former Soviet Union) states – Azerbaijan,
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan – were rated as ‘not
free’, with 6 points.

The worst situation with human rights among CIS states was indicated
in Belarus (6.5 points) and Turkmenistan (7 points). The report also
assessed the human rights situation in conflict zones, terming them as
“disputed areas”. Among these regions, only the Turkish Republic of
Northern Cyprus was rated as free, with 2 points.

The self-proclaimed “Upper Garabagh Republic” operating in the occupied
territories of Azerbaijan, as well as Abkhazia, Kashmir and Kosovo,
were rated as “partly free”. Human rights are blatantly violated in
Tibet, Dnestr and Chechnya, the report said. The countries considered
to be protectorates of other countries – Hong Kong (China), Puerto Rico
(United States) were rated as “free”, with 2 points.

“Report unfair”

The rating on Azerbaijan indicated in the Freedom House report is
unfair. The criteria taken into consideration in preparing the report
are unclear, Ombudsman Elmira Suleymanova told a press conference
on Tuesday.

The Milli Majlis (parliament) speaker Murtuz Alasgarov said the
report as biased, regarding as unfair the fact that Azerbaijan was
rated below Armenia and Georgia.

“Is the level of democracy in Azerbaijan behind that of Georgia
and Armenia?”

The speaker said that the inaccurate data in the report is related
to the false statements made by the opposition, and called on its
representatives to consider Azerbaijan’s interests.

AAA: Armenia This Week – 04/04/2005

ARMENIA THIS WEEK

Monday, April 4, 2005

In this issue:

U.S. Military, NATO officials tout “great progress” in Armenia
relations

Armenian leaders offer condolences of over Pope John Paul II’s
passing

Survey: Armenians, Turks want better relations, but don’t expect
improvement

Israeli Daily: Former Minister urges change in Israel’s position on
Genocide

U.S. MILITARY, NATO OFFICIALS TOUT “GREAT PROGRESS” IN SECURITY TIES
WITH ARMENIA

Senior U.S. and NATO officials were in Yerevan last week to discuss a
growing security partnership with Armenia. In his second visit to
Armenia in less than a year, General Charles Wald, Deputy Commander
of the U.S. forces in Europe, noted that “great progress” has already
been achieved and that his talks with President Robert Kocharian and
Defense Minister Serge Sargsian focused on developing U.S.-Armenia
defense relations, particularly measures against international
terrorists.

Gunther Altenburg, NATO assistant secretary general for political
affairs and security policy, was in Armenia to preside over the
session of the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council (EAPC)’s
consultative group. EAPC is the main diplomatic forum between NATO
and partner countries such as Armenia. The Yerevan session brought
together representatives of 38 countries. In meeting with Altenburg,
Sargsian noted that the Armenia-NATO partnership was developing
rapidly and that Armenia saw closer ties with NATO as “very useful.”

Armenia has been building closer ties with the U.S. and NATO in
recent years, sending peacekeepers to Iraq and Kosovo, and providing
other assistance. But with lack of progress in relations with Turkey,
Armenia has also maintained a security pact with Russia.
Commentators are likely to seize on last week’s news as confirmation
of Armenia’s “drift” to the West.

An analysis of a recent visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to
Armenia, published in the widely-read Stratfor last week, cited
Armenian government sources that claimed that a “radical shift” in
Armenia’s foreign policy, backed by President Kocharian and Defense
Minister Sargsian, was in the making. While Stratfor did not spell
out what specific changes it anticipated, its analysis suggested that
Armenian leaders believe that the U.S. could do a better job in
helping Armenia address its security challenges, than can Russia.
Over the past year, Russia has also stepped up its cooperation with
Turkey. (Sources: Armenia This Week 4-30-04, 11-8-04, 2-14; Stratfor
3-28; RFE/RL Armenia Report 3-30; Mediamax 3-31)

ARMENIAN LEADERS EXTEND SYMPATHIES OVER POPE JOHN PAUL II’S PASSING

Armenia’s political and religious leaders shared condolences over the
passing of Pope John Paul II last week, praising his worldwide
leadership and role in establishing closer relations between Armenia
and the Vatican. Karekin II, the Catholicos of all Armenians, said
that “the passing of Pope John Paul II is truly a great loss for the
world” and praised him as an “untiring preacher of peace and defender
of Christian moral values” throughout his 26 years as Pontiff.
Catholicos Karekin II also recalled that in 2001, during celebrations
of the 1700th anniversary of the adoption of Christianity, John Paul
II became the first Pope to visit Armenia and also to officially
affirm the Armenian Genocide.

In a letter to Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Angelo Sodano,
President Robert Kocharian noted that “the Armenian people together
with the whole Christian world mourn the death of John Paul II, who
has won the great sympathy and respect of the whole humanity.” Last
January, Kocharian became the last foreign head of state to be
received by John Paul II, prior to the deterioration of the Pontiff’s
health.

Relations between the Catholic and Armenian churches have grown
closer since a 1996 joint declaration that addressed theological
differences. Earlier this year, Pope John Paul II blessed the statue
of the Armenian Church founder St. Gregory the Illuminator that was
placed among the founding saints that surround the exterior of St.
Peter’s Basilica in Rome. (Sources: Armenia This Week 2-1; Mediamax
4-2, 4; Armenian Church – Echmiadzin 4-3)

SURVEY: ARMENIANS, TURKS WANT BETTER RELATIONS, BUT PESSIMISTIC ON
FUTURE

A first-ever joint survey conducted by Armenian and Turkish pollsters
and published last month confirmed a wide gap in perceptions between
the two nations, but also found majority support for improvement in
relations. The two groups, the Turkish Economic and Social Studies
Foundation (TESEV) and the Yerevan-based Sociological and Marketing
Research Center (HASA), polled 1,219 and 1,000 citizens throughout
Turkey and Armenia respectively in late 2002 – early 2003. The
Washington, DC-based American University Center for Global Peace
funded the project.

While the Armenian respondents were generally more educated and more
informed about Turkey, they also held overwhelmingly negative views
of the country. By contrast, fewer Turks were informed about Armenia
and also had less negative attitudes. Thus, a majority of Turks were
unaware of Armenia’s precise geographic location or its form of
government. Over one-fifth of Turks polled appeared to identify
Armenia with Israel, suggesting that Judaism was Armenia’s state
religion.

The study confirmed that Armenians’ negative attitudes are based on
the genocidal experience in Turkey – a full quarter of a randomly
selected Armenian sample knew at least some family members who were
born in present-day Turkey. A majority of Turks were aware that
Armenians inhabited parts of present-day Turkey before the arrival of
Turks and that most of the Armenian population was forced out during
World War I.

Both Armenians and Turks would approve the establishment of
diplomatic relations (88 and 65 percent respectively), open borders
(63 and 51) and resumption of economic ties before political
normalization (60 and 54); both Armenians and Turks believe that
diplomatic relations between Armenia and Turkey would serve as the
most important element in improving relations. However, most
Armenians and Turks believe that relations between the two countries
would either remain unchanged or change for the worse.

The study further found that mass media was a key source of
information for Turks and Armenians about each other. In a concluding
statement, TESEV and HASA suggested that fair and unbiased
representation in the media could substantially contribute to
improving mutual attitudes. (Source: Armenian and Turkish Citizens’
Mutual Perceptions and Dialogue Project, 2005
)

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Ha’aretz [Israeli daily]

Israel is among the holocaust deniers

By Yossi Sarid

April 24 will mark the 90th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, and
the Armenian government is holding an international conference in the
capital of Yerevan, dedicated to the memory of the more than a
million Armenians murdered by the Turks. I was also invited, and I
decided to attend. This month will also see the Hebrew publication of
Prof. Yair Auron’s eye-opening and stomach churning book, “Denial:
Israel and the Armenian Genocide,” Maba Publishing, which has already
been highly praised overseas in its English-language edition.

As opposed to many other nations, Israel has never recognized the
murder of the Armenian people, and in effect lent a hand to the
deniers of that genocide. Our official reactions moved in the vague,
illusory realm between denial to evasion, from “it’s not clear there
really was genocide” to “it’s an issue for the historians,” as Shimon
Peres once put it so outrageously and stupidly.

There are two main motives for the Israeli position. The first is the
importance of the relationship with Turkey, which for some reason
continues to deny any responsibility for the genocide, and uses heavy
pressure worldwide to prevent the historical responsibility for the
genocide to be laid at its door. The pressure does work, and not only
Israel, but other countries as well do the arithmetic of profits and
loss. The other motive is that recognition of another nation’s murder
would seem to erode the uniqueness of the Jewish Holocaust.

Five years ago, on the 85th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, I
was invited as education minister to the Armenian church in the Old
City of Jerusalem. This is what I said at the time:

“I am here, with you, as a human being, as a Jew, as an Israeli, and
as the minister of education in Israel. For many years, too many, you
were alone on this, your memorial day. I am aware of the special
significance of my presence here. Today, for the first time, you are
less alone.”

I recalled the Jewish American ambassador to Turkey at the time of
the slaughter, Henry Morgenthau, who called the massacre of the
Armenians “the greatest crime of modern history.” That good man had
no idea what would yet happen in the 20th century – who could have
anticipated the Jewish Holocaust? And I recalled Franz Werfel’s “The
40 Days of Musa Dagh,” which came out in Germany in the spring of
1933 and shocked millions of people and eventually, me, too, as a
youth.

Summing up, I said, “We Jews, the main victims of murderous hatred,
must be doubly sensitive and identify with other victims. Those who
stand aside, turn away, cast a blind eye, make their calculations of
gains and losses, and are silent, always help the murderers and never
those who are being murdered. In our new history curriculum I want to
see a central chapter on genocide, and within it, an open reference
to the Armenian genocide. That is our duty to you and to ourselves.”

The Armenian community in Israel and the world took note of that
statement with satisfaction. Turkey complained vociferously,
demanding an explanation from the Israeli government. And “my
government,” of all governments, first stammered and then denied
responsibility, and explained that I spoke for myself. And not a
remnant survives in the new curriculum of the Livnat era.

Now it can be said. They were right. All the stammerers and deniers.
I really did not consult with anyone else and did not ask for
permission. What must be asked when the answer is known in advance,
and it is based on the wrong assumption that there is a contradiction
between a moral position and a political one? Just how beastly must
we be as humans, or as Haaretz wrote then in its editorial, “The
teaching of genocides must be at the top of the priorities of the
values of the Jewish people, the victim of the Holocaust, and no
diplomacy of interests can be allowed to stand in that way”?

The Israeli Foreign Ministry, and not only it, is always afraid of
its own shadow and thus it casts a dark shadow over us all as
accomplices to the “silence of the world.” The Dalai Lama, leader of
the exiled Tibetans, has visited here twice, and twice I was warned
by “officials” not to meet with him. It would mean a crisis in
relations with China, the exact same thing they say about Turkey. I
rebuffed those warnings in both cases. I have always believed that
moral policies pay off in the long run, while rotten policies end up
losing.

And all this I will repeat in the capital of Armenia, only in my
name, of course.

AAA Note: Sarid is a member of the Israeli Knesset, Foreign Affairs
and Defense Committee, and Education and Culture Committee; Chair,
Meretz Movement.

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Federer proves a point to himself

Federer proves a point to himself

Reuters.uk, UK
Mon Apr 4, 2005 6:17 PM BST

LONDON, April 4 (Reuters) – Roger Federer accomplished something at
the Nasdaq-100 Open he had not done for almost four years when he
won a match from two sets down.

The Swiss master usually bamboozles his opponents from the moment he
steps on court but Spanish teenager Rafael Nadal made a blistering
start to Sunday’s final.

It was not that Federer was playing badly in what turned out to be
a thrilling contest, just that he ran into an inspired Nadal, who
went into the biggest match of his burgeoning career on a 15-match
winning streak.

For a man who had tasted defeat just once in eight months, Federer
was on unfamiliar territory as he lost the opening two sets.

The world number one had to dig deep into his memory bank as the
last time he overcame a two-set deficit was in the 2001 French Open,
when Armenia’s Sargis Sargsian took him to 9-7 in the fifth set of
a second-round match.

Federer was only two points from defeat in the third-set tiebreaker
against Nadal but he found his way out of trouble to win 2-6 6-7 7-6
6-3 6-1.

“I was very worried, especially after the first set as I don’t lose
sets very often 6-2, so this really shows you that I was struggling,”
said Federer, whose only defeat since last August was a five-set
marathon against Marat Safin in the Australian Open semi-finals.

“Every match I go into, I’m this huge favourite. When I lose sets,
it’s like crazy,” he said.

“I’m really happy that I came back because I’ve hardly ever done it
in my career. This is a big moment in my career, especially in the
final against a player of this calibre.”

CALM AUTHORITY

Since bursting on the scene with a stunning win over seven-times
Wimbledon champion Pete Sampras at the All England Club in 2001,
Federer has been the epitome of calm authority.

Even that facade slipped against Nadal, however, with the top seed
hurling his racket to the ground in frustration as his record of 17
consecutive final victories came under threat.

“I was very disappointed as I was missing one opportunity after
another,” he said. “I really felt like I was climbing uphill all
the time.

“I had an opportunity and I missed it again and just had enough. So
I threw it hard… who knows, maybe it did me good and woke me up.”

Having extended his record to 18 successive final triumphs and
recovered his cool, Federer turned his thoughts to the French Open,
the one grand slam title to elude him.

“I’ll definitely work on my physical conditioning but there’s only
so much you can do before the French,” said the Swiss, who has never
advanced beyond the quarter-finals in six visits to the claycourt
major.

“My potential relies very much on my explosiveness, I’ve got to use
that on clay as well.

“I know I’ve got the game, and I know I can hang tough now for five
sets without a problem, where in the past maybe that wasn’t always
the case.”

Armenian president’s France visit postponed for health reasons

Armenian president’s France visit postponed for health reasons

Arminfo
4 Apr 05

Yerevan, 4 April: Armenian President Robert Kocharyan’s working visit
to France, scheduled for 4-6 April 2005, has been postponed due to
the president’s leg injury, Viktor Sogomonyan, the press secretary
of the Armenian president has told Arminfo news agency.

He said that the new date for the visit will be set through diplomatic
channels.

According to our information, the Armenian president is suffering a
strained muscle in his leg following his unofficial visit to Georgia.

[Kocharyan injured his leg in the ski resort in Georgia’s Gudauri,
Armenia’s Mediamax news agency reported at 0545 gmt 04 Apr 2005]