Armen Rustamyan: Armenia Will Only Lose If Sign The Protocols

ARMEN RUSTAMYAN: ARMENIA WILL ONLY LOSE IF SIGN THE PROTOCOLS

PanARMENIAN.Net
15.09.2009 19:59 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Armenia has already made big concessions in the
process of normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations. As a victim
of the Genocide, Armenia agreed without any preconditions to start
the process of normalization of the Armenian-Turkish relations, while
it is particularly Armenia has the right to lay down preconditions,
Armen Rustamyan , representative of ARF Dashnaktsutyun Supreme Body
told reporters.

According to him, normalization of relations between two countries
is impossible, while Turkey continues to deny the Armenian
Genocide. Ankara began a serious struggle around the world, trying to
convince the world community that it is not Armenia, but Turkey is a
"victim".

"The whole process of international recognition of the Armenian
Genocide is frozen today," Mr. Rustamyan said, adding that recently
the process has started to accelerate, which is a good opportunity for
Armenia to finally solve this issue. Since negotiations between Armenia
and Turkey have restarted, the process of recognition has stopped.

"Where is the guarantee that Turkey will recognize the Armenian
Genocide? There is simply no guarantee," Armen Rustamyan said, noting
that by adopting the protocols Armenia will only lose.

Armenia: Opposition Threatens Mass Rallies To Thwart Turkish Deal

ARMENIA: OPPOSITION THREATENS MASS RALLIES TO THWART TURKISH DEAL

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The Armenian National Congress (ANC), Armenia’s main opposition group,
says it will launch a series of street protests on September 18 that
is designed to foil a pending reconciliation deal with Turkey.

The ANC claims that August 31 proposals that aim to foster a
rapprochement between the longtime enemies are inimical to Armenia’s
national interests, the pro-opposition A1plus news service reported
on September 14.

Accusing President Serzh Sargsyan of "selling out" to Turkey, ANC
spokesperson Levon Zurabian said his party will try to reverse the deal
via popular protests. "The [President Serzh Sargsyan’s] regime failed
to achieve its stated goal to normalize ties with Turkey without any
preconditions," Zurabian said in a statement released September 14.

The draft proposal offers to set up an "impartial scientific"
commission to look into the mass slaughter of Armenians during the
late Ottoman era. The ANC insists that the episode be classified as
genocide. Zurabian said that the August protocols, if adopted, would
likely weaken Armenia’s claim of genocide, and thus would constitute
a major diplomatic defeat for Yerevan.

http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/news/eav091

Border Debate: "Nothing Is Settled Since Everything Hasn’t Been Sett

BORDER DEBATE: "NOTHING IS SETTLED SINCE EVERYTHING HASN’T BEEN SETTLED"
Kristine Aghalaryan

orgyan-border/
2009/09/14 | 18:40

Work on mapping the Armenian-Georgian border is coming to a
close. However disputed territories still exist and it is up to the
Inter-State Demarcation Commission to reach a mutually agreeable
resolution.

For the past two weeks, the Armenian media has been covering the of
the Armenian-Georgian border demarcation issue and events centered
in the Armenian town of Bavra, located in the far north of Shirak
Marz. At the border town, Georgian patrols have not permitted Armenian
villagers from accessing certain agricultural lands, arguing that
these in fact are located within Georgia proper.

Bavra community leader Koryun Soumboulyan emphatically denies that
this is the case and back up his assertion by presenting property deeds
issued the Armenian villagers by the State Property Cadastre. Georgian
border guards point to a 1942 demarcation document showing that the
lands in question belong to Georgia.

Ashot Melkonyan, Director of the RoA Academy of Sciences’ Institute of
History states in amazement that, "I really don’t see the logic. What
need was there for such a demarcation during the Great Patriotic
War? Do you really think that during the battle for Stalingrad they
were mapping out the borders between Soviet Georgia and neighboring
Soviet Armenia? At the time we didn’t even know if Stalingrad would
fall or not."

Professor Melkonyan points to the document signed on November 6, 1921
between the two Soviet republics as the last demarcation agreement. It
was signed by Armenian Revolutionary Committee (Revkom) President
Aleksandr Myasnikyan and his Georgian counterpart, Budu Mdivani. The
treaty includes an addendum mapping out the border in minute detail,
showing each hill, valley, village and stream. Professor Melkonyan
lays it all out in his book "Javakhk".

" While there are documents registering disputes among state economic
enterprises along the border in the late 1920’s and early 1930’s,
regarding grazing and water usage rights, this doesn’t mean that
the border itself was moved. People always get the two sets of
circumstances mixed up. These agreements were signed by neighboring
districts. For example, there were such agreements brokered between
Gyumri and the Georgian district of Bogdanovka.

The Inter-State Commission Has Demarcated 70% of Border

It has been three years now that an inter-state committee comprised of
cartographers of the two nations has been working on demarcating the
border. (The Interstate Commission on Diplomacy and Demarcation of
the Armenian-Georgian border was founded in 1995 but did little of
practical value until a few years ago)The Armenian component is made
up of 13 specialists from various departments – the RoA Academy of
Sciences, the National Security Service’s Border Patrol, Ministry
of Justice, State Revenue Commission, Ministry of Territorial
Administration, and the State Non-Commercial Organizations
"Hoghshinmonitorink", "Geodesic and Cartography Center", etc.

When we enquired what steps were planned by the RoA Ministry of Foreign
Affairs in light of recent developments on the Armenian-Georgian
border, we received the following answer:

"Such issues crop up in those border areas as yet not included in the
parameters of the border commission. The activity of the commission
is being directed along these lines to see that such issues do not
appear in the future."

The RoA Foreign Ministry did not specify what parts of the border
between Armenia and Georgia were still in question. Rather, it
noted that 70% of the 206 kilometer border had been officially
demarcated. However, the commission works according to the following
principle – nothing has been agreed to since as yet everything hasn’t
been agreed to.

Hovsep Petrosyan: " The Armenian-Georgian border isn’t black and white"

Hovsep Petrosyan, Director of the Geodesic and Cartography Center,
states, " The maps of Bavra’s agricultural lands show that they have
always belonged to the RoA and Bavra residents have always used these
lands. Today, even if the Georgians point to the 1942 demarcation
document to buttress their claims, this doesn’t mean that the lands
belong to them. Do you think that the people didn’t have anything
better to do than map out a border or make such modifications? There
are sites along the border that must be conceded to the other since
the local residents are not at fault. People who have been using
certain areas for so many years must be allowed to continue so."

Mr. Petrosyan is a member of the Inter-State Commission in the capacity
of a cartographer. He confesses that the Armenian-Georgian border is
complex since residents on both sides have been using it as they see
fit when it benefits them.

"We have been in negotiations for two years already. About 60% has
been mapped out satisfactorily. The border has been drawn to meet
all technical and normative standards and has even taken into account
issues of water rights."

According to the expert, issues arise when demarcating the border on
flat lands; the site of rural communities and adjoining agricultural
lands. For the Armenians, Bavra is such a contested site, while there
are three Armenian villages contested by the Georgians.

Map Making: A Professional Glossary

Not having a 1/1000 scale map for the Armenian-Georgian border,
the Armenians conducted a stereocompilation photographic work in
2003. They sent letters and received the go-ahead to place planimetric
points on Georgian lands. "To create a map from photos we must first
receive orthophotographic diagrams to be overlaid on the planimetric
maps to come up with a new map to scale," explains Mr. Petrosyan

Mr. Petrosyan certifies that the Armenian side carried out such
work and that it was transferred to the Georgians and that they also
conducted research and that they drew the border line on a map with
a 10,000 scale and not a 50,000.

The Georgians accepted the proposal of the Armenian cartographers
but it wasn’t acted on. They also conducted photographic work in 2008
but that their maps contain certain planimetric deviations.

Hovsep Petrosyan says that working with the Georgians is easy in the
sense that the mapping work is carried out by private institutions
and the principle of map secrecy doesn’t exist. The Georgian Foreign
Ministry merely is involved in administrative activities. However,
relief maps in Armenia with scales of 10,000, 25,000 and 50,000 are
kept secret and not distributed.

Mr. Petrosyan says, " We took their figures and incorporated them
onto our maps. After correcting for inaccuracies, we will conduct
field measurements for sites where disagreements exist. We will
check what actually exists on the ground and afterwards, according
to the conclusions of the commission, we will present our findings
and proposals to the leaders of the two nations. The main drawback
is that each side, rather than thinking about its obligations, is
more concerned with voicing their rights."

"Drawing the line is a historic moment"

The maps drawn up by the cartographers of both countries drastically
differ in the rural communities of Aghkyurpi, Chanakhchi and Ziliza,
certain vineyards of Debed and various forested border regions. These
contested sites comprise about 120 hectares.

Professor Ashot Melkonyan sadly notes that modifications have
also arisen in the forested belt – the plateau stretches from the
Noyemberyan area to Alaverdi. There it ends. The hills give way to
the grasslands at which point Northern Lori begins.

"There used to be a forested zone right there as a demarcation. But
it was continually cut down, especially by the Georgians, because
residents had no other means of livelihood. Thus, it turns out that
the border started to gradually encroach into Armenia," says Professor
Melkonyan.

"They like to mention the forest but cartography doesn’t appreciate
such references. There are coordinates, a line, an azimuth, distances
and other standards of delineation. The forest was once considered
the demarcation of the border but over the years the forest has been
felled on their side. They have encroached into our territory but
this doesn’t mean that the lands belong to them. Modern technologies
stipulate the concepts of coordinates, angles, lines. Once fixed
they are drawn and remain despite changes to the exterior landscape,"
says Mr. Petrosyan, Director of the Geodesic and Cartography Center.

Elmira Avetisyan, who heads the Photogrammetry Topographic Registry
Division, is now busy with the synthesis of the maps by the Armenian
and Georgian teams with satellite imagery.

"For the most part we don’t have a border problem in Bavra. The
border is drawn quite clearly through Bavra. For the life of me,
I don’t know why a problem arose in the first place," says Elmira
Avetisyan, showing the overlay of the two maps.

As a cartography expert who works on paper, Elmira Avetisyan says
that approximate measurements have no place in the field and that
there are concise X and Y points. Comparing the Armenian and Georgian
maps and seeing the differences, the expert is interested to know
how they came up with their X and Y since she came up with the border
line on the basis on satellite imagery. That imagery lends itself to
photogrammetric refinement. New computer technologies allow for the
more correct calculating of points; according to elevation, relief,
mountain peaks, etc.

"It is a very labor intensive process. You just can’t say, ‘hey,
it’s just a line, draw it’. The drawing of that line is a historic
moment. We must have a unified map. Now, I am refining what we
have because there were inaccuracies in elevations from on-site
measurements. By mixing two points I come up with a map again,"
says Elmira Avetisyan.

Georgian and Armenian Foreign Ministers Discuss Demarcation Issue

Grigol Vashadze, the Georgian Foreign Minister was in Armenia
on a working visit from September 4-6. The two foreign ministers
discussed issues related to the Armenian-Georgian border demarcation
and discussed the agenda of the inter-state commission’s upcoming
session with RoA President Serzh Sargsyan.

The last meeting of the demarcation commission’s geodesists took
place on June 9-10 of this year. During the meeting, by combining
maps made with new technologies, the Armenian experts took certain
materials in order to compare and come up with a unified map. Now,
the process is in the final stage and the cartography work will be
completed by the end of September or early October.

Director Hovsep Petrosyan of the Geodesic and Cartography Center notes
that they are doing their job but that it remains for the foreign
ministries of the two nations to ratify their results. "It is also a
political issue and I am only responsible for the mapping part of it."

After the creation of a unified map, the two sides will formally draw
the boundary line through it.

After the inter-state commission completes its work, the end product
will be presented to the RoA National Assembly. The final border will
be certified by the presidents of the two nations.

The next meeting of the demarcation commission takes place at the
end of September.

http://hetq.am/en/politics/armenian-ge

Les meandres de la paix

L’Express, France
10 Septembre 2009

Chronique;
Les méandres de la paix

par Makarian Christian

Aux marches d’un Proche-Orient traversé par des impasses séculaires,
deux nations ennemies ont décidé d’en venir à la paix. Vu de loin, on
les félicite pour leur courage et leur détermination. Confirmant le
processus de normalisation amorcé il y a un an, la Turquie et
l’Arménie ont non seulement convenu d’établir des relations
diplomatiques, de parvenir à l’ouverture de leur frontière commune,
mais aussi d’aborder un passif historique traumatique pour les
Arméniens.

Vu de près, toutefois, l’accord conclu le 31 août dernier entre Ankara
et Erevan soulève, dans les deux peuples, une question
existentielle. La route est encore longue, même si un calendrier
précis est fixé, et il faudra affronter, dans chaque pays, une
opposition profonde. Du côté turc, une puissante opinion nationaliste
reste crispée sur le négationnisme d’Etat, qui rejette farouchement la
réalité du génocide perpétré par le gouvernement des Jeunes-Turcs, en
1915. Admettre que la Turquie moderne est fondée sur un crime contre
l’humanité demandera du temps et, surtout, un immense travail de
mémoire, laquelle est enfouie sous la statue martiale de Mustafa
Kemal. Tout aussi problématique est le soutien "fraternel" maintes
fois manifesté par la Turquie à l’Azerbaïdjan, pays en guerre avec
l’Arménie au sujet de la région du Haut-Karabakh. Devant tant
d’obstacles, deux signes d’assouplissement : les Turcs acceptent de
participer à une "sous-commission sur la dimension historique", ce qui
vaut mieux que la négation formelle du génocide ; et la normalisation
avec l’Arménie a finalement été acceptée, bien qu’aucune solution
n’ait été encore annoncée pour le Haut-Karabakh.

Du côté arménien, ce qui est envisageable doit préserver ce qui est
impensable. L’Arménie s’engage à reconnaître le traité de Kars (1921),
négocié par les bolcheviques sur le dos d’un peuple martyr, et à
abandonner toute revendication territoriale vis-à-vis de la
Turquie. L’ouverture de la frontière est censée offrir une
compensation à ce renoncement. Mais, par-dessus tout, l’espoir de la
diaspora doit être sérieusement respecté par Erevan. Engagée depuis
des décennies dans un combat mondial qui a abouti à la reconnaissance
du génocide par une vingtaine de démocraties, cette dernière ne verra
sa plaie ouverte se refermer que le jour où la Turquie admettra
officiellement la vérité historique. La paix des frontières ne va pas
sans la paix de l’âme.

Those Excluded Will Apply To JM

THOSE EXCLUDED WILL APPLY TO JM

12:56:58 – 11/09/2009
hos15143.html

The vice-head of the Heritage’s board Movses Aristakesyan gave
clarifications in connection with the situation formed inside the
party. According to him, the presence of the person is obligator in
case a decision on them is taken. Before exclusion, they had to apply
to that person three times in written form and only after the person
does not present, they may take a decision.

Aristakesyan says he has been excluded from the party because he has
always demanded to fulfill the session’s decisions. He noted that on
August 28, Vardan Khachatryan, Artur Sardaryan, Zoya Khachatryan and
he applied to Anahit Bakhshyan to convene a board session where a
number of questions have to be discussed. First, we had to find out
the reasons why the press secretary of the party Hovsep Khurshudyan
defames Vardan Khachatryan. The demands of 9 members of the party on
Armen Martirosyan’s dismissal from the office of the head of the board
who according to them, made breaches, should be discussed, says
Aristakesyan.

Aristakesyan also tells they have also demanded the spring reports on
party’s 23 business trips. Only Vardan Khachatryan, Zaruhi Postanjyan,
Larisa Alaverdyan and Raffi Hovhannisyan presented their
reports. Armen Martirosyan renounced presenting it for 8 times.
In case this issue is not solved within the party, they are going to
apply to Justice Ministry.

http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/country-lra

It will not rain

It will not rain

er
03:46 pm | September 11, 2009 | society

No precipitations are expected in Armenia on September 11 and 12.

"Rain will fall in Armenian in the evening of September
13. Meteorologists forecast hail and thunder in some regions," head of
the Hydro-Meteorological Center (Armhydromet) Zaruhy Petrosyan said to
A1+.

No temperature changes are expected on September 13. The average
temperature will rise by 3-4 degrees on September 12 and fall on
September 14.

Zaruhy Petrosyan says the temperature remains within the normal range.

http://a1plus.am/en/society/2009/09/11/weath

Heritage urges NSC sitting on RA-Turkish relations

Heritage urges NSC sitting on RA-Turkish relations
12.09.2009 19:27 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ On September 12, Heritage Party representatives
Stepan Safaryan and Armen Martirosyan addressed an official letter to
RA National Security Council (RA NSC) Chairman Artur Baghdasaryan,
suggesting starting discussions on RA-Turkish protocols.

Letter authors emphasized the importance of political forces and
professional sphere representatives’ participation in discussions.

Turkey’s influence over lawmakers surfaces in Ohio hearing

rkeys-influence-over-lawmakers-surfaces-in-ohio-he aring/

Real Time Investigations Tracking private influence on public policy

Turkey’s influence over lawmakers surfaces in Ohio hearing
By Luke Rosiak on 09/10/09 @ 7:27 am | 1 Comment

Labeling the killing of 1.5 million Armenians between 1915 and 1923,
many at the hands of Ottoman government, an act of genocide has been a
controversial issue in Turkey, among some historians, in the
U.S. Congress, and now in the unlikely venue of the Ohio Board of
Elections, where recent hearings indirectly considered the government
of Turkey’s connection, if any, to Turkish advocacy groups in
Washington.

Backed by lawyers from the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund,
Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, filed a false claims complaint against
David Krikorian, who ran against her in 2008 as an independent and
garnered 18 percent of the vote. Schmidt’s complaint stems from
campaign literature in which Krikorian claimed she `has taken $30,000
in blood money from Turkish sponsored political action committees to
deny the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenian men, women and children by
the Ottoman Turkish government during World War I.’

Though Jean Schmidt doesn’t sit on the subcommittee responsible for
the Armenian Genocide legislation, it’s clear that she’s a favorite of
the Turkish community. With $18,450 in contributions from three
Turkish-focused PACs since 2007, the second-term House member has
received far more than even influential senior members, and nearly
twice as much as the second-highest recipient, Virginia Foxx, whose
son-in-law is Turkish. A list of fundraisers compiled by the Turkish
Coalition USA PAC shows that the group held several events for
Schmidt, raising thousands more. And four individuals who gave to
Turkish PACs also donated a combined $8,700 directly to Schmidt’s
campaign.

At issue before the Ohio Board of Elections is whether Krikorian’s
language holds up – whether it was accurate to describe three
Turkey-focused political action committees as `Turkish sponsored.’ The
false claims complaint against Krikorian comes after the board
censured Schmidt for a `reckless disregard for truth’ in her own
campaign literature.

Lobbyists for the government of Turkey, including former congressmen
Bob Livingston, made more than 2,260 contacts with officials in an
unparalleled push to quash a resolution in Congress that would deem
the events genocide. But political action committees favored by
Turkish Americans have, on paper, no direct connection with the state.

In a deposition, Schmidt repeatedly told Krikorian’s attorneys that
she could not recall details about her fundraising and legislative
discussions. She said she had never heard of the Armenian massacres
until Krikorian – who is of Armenian heritage – raised the issue, and
that she still hasn’t decided how she would vote on a resolution that
would condemn the act as genocide, should it reach the House floor.

But materials put out by the Turkish Coalition of America and authored
by a lawyer, Bruce Fein, who now represents Schmidt in the complaint,
say that `Congresswoman Schmidt has on numerous occasions voiced her
opposition to such resolutions and maintains that the historical
question is not appropriate for Congress to legislate. The
congresswoman, based on her independent research, does not believe the
tragic events=85 constitute genocide.’

Schmidt acknowledged reading a book on the killings by Guenter Lewy, a
college professor, which figures in a controversy of its own. The
Southern Poverty Law Center claimed that the government of Turkey paid
Lewy to pen the book, `The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A
Disputed Genocide,’ in a manner favorable to the country. In December,
Lewy, represented by two lawyers from the Turkish American Defense
Fund who also hold positions at the Turkish Coalition of America –
Bruce Fein and David Saltzman-sued the Southern Poverty Law Center and
the report’s author, on the grounds that the article claimed that Lewy
was an unregistered foreign agent, which he says is false. The
government of Turkey has funded academic programs, including the
Institute for Turkish Studies at Georgetown University, and endowed
professorships.

As Krikorian’s counsel questioned Schmidt about whether the PACs were
indeed `sponsored’ by the state of Turkey, he repeatedly tried to nail
down Schmidt’s view of the 1915 events. Schmidt sought some
wiggle-room by saying that genocides were, by definition,
state-sponsored, and that no trial or tribunal had concluded that the
massacre was directly linked to the government at the time.

In June, while President Barack Obama visited Turkey, an essay
appeared in a Turkish newspaper under Schmidt’s byline opining that
the United States should not investigate the killings. `What happened
in 1915 must never be forgotten,’ the article said, but in her
deposition, Schmidt was squishy about just what happened.

A fundraising e-mail from a Turkish PAC says she is `willing to stand
up to the Armenian lobby, and it is important for the Turkish
community to support her.’ But Schmidt, who says her campaign was run
by her husband, her chief of staff and interns, claimed to have no
role in setting up the fundraisers, no inkling of why Turkish donors
had become a surprising part of her fundraising base and no
recollection of meeting top donors, including one who chauffeured her
around Turkey. (In May, Schmidt took a $10,000 trip to Turkey,
sponsored by the Turkish Coalition of America.)

It’s not the first time Schmidt has declined to take a clear position
or found herself making statements contradicted by her record. This
week, video surfaced of her telling a woman who claimed that Obama may
not have been born in the United States that she agrees with her,
despite having previously issued a statement saying he is `indeed a
citizen of this country.’

Schmidt expressed little familiarity with the workings of her campaign
as well as the complex ties between Turkish groups, including the
Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, whose lawyers, she says, are
being paid in campaign funds. (The latest expense reports don’t reveal
the amount.)

`What is the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund?’ she is asked.

`It’s a U.S. organization that has a PAC,’ she answers.

`The Legal Defense Fund does?’

`I don’t know. I don’t know. I guess it doesn’t. I don’t know. I don’t
know what it is.’

http://realtime.sunlightprojects.org/2009/09/10/tu

Deschacht: "We Made A Fool Out Of Ourselves"

DESCHACHT: "WE MADE A FOOL OUT OF OURSELVES"

Anderlecht
Sept 10 2009
Belgium

Defender Olivier Deschacht didn’t immediately found an explanation
for the loss against Armenia. "It was a disgrace," he admitted to
Sporza. "Everyone thought so in the dressing room."

"We fought and we ran, but where and how did we ran? We apparently
can’t do it, or we aren’t smart enough. We could expect Vercauteren
to quit his job, but actually the players should quit."

"We always have to win here, but we made a fool out of ourselves. So
kill us, we deserve it. Shoot on the 60 players who have played
the last few years. We didn’t only abandon our trainer," Deschacht
continued , "But also the previous coach, the fans and you guys,
the press."

"Whether I’d rather wouldn’t have joined the Red Devils? No, I’ve
been on a sinking ship more often. As always, I did my best and I’ll
keep doing that."

Armenian-Spanish Business Forum Under Way In Yerevan

ARMENIAN-SPANISH BUSINESS FORUM UNDER WAY IN YEREVAN

ARKA
September 9, 2009
YEREVAN

YEREVAN, September 9. /ARKA/. An Armenian-Spanish business forum was
launched in Yerevan on Wednesday.

Armenian Economy Minister Nerses Yeritsyan told journalists that the
country’s trade turnover with Spain amounted to $8 million this year,
quite low result, compared with Armenia’s trade turnover with other
EU countries.

"But there is room for developing economic cooperation", he said.

In his words, Spain is rapidly developing now and searching for new
outlets for Spanish goods, and Spanish businessmen find Armenian
market attractive.

"Sluggish trade between the two countries is a temporary phenomenon.

Such business forums can spur it."

Yeritsyan said that Armenia imports mainly ceramics and sea products
from Spain and exports raw materials there.

The minister didn’t rule out that meetings between Armenian and
Spanish businessmen could result in some agreements.

Representatives of industry, telecommunication, information
technologies, tourism, construction, industrial waste recycling and
renewable energy sectors of the two countries are present at the forum.

Spanish entrepreneurs met with Armenian Economy Minister Nerses
Yeritsyan, Transport and Communication Minister Gurgen Sargsyan and
Urban Planning Minister Vardan Vardanyan and discussed some programs
with them.