Satik Seyranyan’s “Lessons” program the guest Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Minister of the Republic of Armenia, political analyst It is Vardan Hakobyan.

The main theses of the interview are below.

• When the diplomatic field runs out of ways to solve issues, when red lines are crossed, there is no normal diplomatic attitude, what happened during the Putin-Pashinyan meeting. After the summit of the European Political Community in Armenia, it was clear to the Russians that Armenia had made the decision and the processes became irreversible. Putin made it clear: that’s it, you have crossed the red line, and in that sense, yes, Putin appealed to the Armenian people not to be a reason for speculation. During the Artsakh war, the false propaganda of the CP declared that the Russians did not help us, did this or that, putting their sins on everyone… Now Putin was trying to deal with it. Putin wanted to say: people, this is the situation, it is not possible to sit on two chairs, you decide:

• Russia realized that the South Caucasus is getting out of hand. It turned out that for the first time in 200 years, the Turks entered the South Caucasus, and Russia could not do anything.:

• Armenia is a founding member of the EAEU, but these authorities want to get it out of the EAEU, so that later they say to the public: well, the Russians are to blame, we didn’t want to leave the EAEU, but what have we done… The ground is already being prepared for it from Himikvan… The new wave of anti-Russianism has raised its head.

• On the part of the Europeans, bringing the CPs to power was necessary to get the Russians out of the region, the US needed them to act against Iran. But there was also a 3rd player: Turkey and Azerbaijan. They also wanted to solve their problems:

• Armenia and Georgia joining the European Union does not help the Turks in any way. The Turks know very well that this will not happen. Which way will you go to Europe? Turkey?… Both the Turks and the Russians understand these formal statements by the Communist Party members, blowing dust in people’s eyes…

• I am sure that there will be a new attempt to attack Iran, but Iran is still able to play and put its problems on the table.

• The danger is that as Pashinyan put us in front of the facts in Prague, he can do the same now.

• Saying “Он не предатель” about Pashinyan, Putin tried to keep him in his field, but now he sees that it is not possible.

• It seems to these provincial political figures that they can constantly slander serious politicians and countries. They turned a blind eye for 8 years, they played so that it would not interfere… As soon as it interferes, they will hit him on the head, as they did in the case of Saakashvili. 

• The political weight of the previous authorities was high because something depended on them. Nothing depends on them, because everyone knows that these are the executors of some project:

• Pashinyan becomes the tool of the European Union’s interests in the South Caucasus. In Armenia, this issue has become a border issue, because this issue has specific pursued geopolitical goals. The issue is not the usual problem in interstate relations. The question is that after the Ukrainian front fades away, a new front will open in the South Caucasus, and especially in Kazakhstan. It will be disastrous in Central Asia. There are dormant forces left in reserve in Central Asia that have weapons. The weapons taken out of Afghanistan have not been taken anywhere. Mines are laid in Central Asia. as soon as the situation allowed, those sleeping forces will wake up, and there will be such a bloodshed, the like of which has not been seen in Ukraine, nor, even more so, in the South Caucasus. These steps are a way for the American side to solve the China issue which is most important to them. Or a big game, the other side of which is China and Russia, which also have their own interests:

• Europe is being militarized. in about 5-10 years, the face and manner of war will change. Nuclear weapons will be pushed to the 2nd plan. even more terrifying will be an artificial intelligence that will take over the human brain, performing the function of the devil. Now this race is on. In one day, nations and states will disappear, those states that are without owners will disappear. You must have an owner to survive:

• Azerbaijan is only a football club old as a state. Azerbaijan is creating a history for itself, buying with petrodollars, and these authorities of Armenia are erasing and erasing our millennial culture and history, civilizational heritage.

• I always say to my opposition colleagues, what is the point of criticizing CP, asking questions? everything is clear with them since 2018. What questions do you have for them, is it not clear what they are doing… We need to talk to the public.

• Who are you to waste our three-thousand-year history, to cut our map with scissors… The textbooks are changed to make Armenians childless so that the Turks say: “Come, eat your kebab and serve me”…

• Both Azerbaijan and Turkey understand very well that neither the issue of Artsakh is closed, nor the issue of return to Artsakh, nor the issue of borders in the South Caucasus in general. What is it in 1826? the Russians raised that question, they made demographic changes in the region at the cost of the blood of their ambassador, soldiers and generals, so now someone from some street cafe will redraw the whole thing… Erdogan understands very well that this question will be raised, and the Russians also understand that the question of the Soviet-Armenian border in the Armenian part will be raised.:

• Deep state (English: Deep State): The plan against Iran is a very deeply thought out plan. Even during his first tenure, Trump thought that he would be the one to solve Iran’s problems. failed. Now he wants to solve Iran’s problems himself. it is the interest of the USA and Trump. But being a big businessman, Trump can back down when he sees that he is losing. But in this game, Armenia is just a foothold. 

The ideological roots of the “deep state” in the USA were formed in the 1950s, with the start of the Cold War, when the powers of special services (FBI, CIA) and the military-industrial complex were dramatically expanded in the country. However, the introduction of the term itself and its popularization in American political life went through several distinct stages. 1950-1960s. President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the uncontrolled influence of the “military-industrial complex” in his farewell address. This is considered the basis of the modern understanding of the American “deep state”.

• As they used Ukraine, Europe wants to use Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia against Russia. Armenia is an object in which Iran, Russia and Turkey have interests. Russia’s push is weak. for him, Armenia is a ring to be used against Russia. That is why Armenian-Russian, Armenian-Iranian and Armenian-Turkish relations are important for us.

• Why should a European who has stolen a penny all his life do something for the development of Armenia, compensate the losses of the Armenian peasant at the expense of his taxes…

• Ursula von der Leyen is thoroughly anti-Russian. Before the NATO meeting to be held in Istanbul, he is going to Baku to explain that this railway is of the greatest military-political importance for NATO. In general, building roads for NATO is important for their logistical movements, otherwise what will they transport from Armenia?

According to the Azerbaijani mass media, Azerbaijan has accused the European Union of “providing dividends to someone else at the expense of rails built with someone else’s money and belonging to someone else.” It is about opening the Akhalkalak-Kars section of the Baku-Kars railway for Armenia-Europe cargo transportation. Its agreement was reached with Georgia and Turkey, which caused confusion among the Azerbaijani authorities. It should also be noted that the Tbilisi-Kars railway in the territory of Georgia was repaired, and some sections were built at the expense of the funds provided by Azerbaijan.

• When Bulgaria entered the European Union, Bulgarian pepper disappeared from the markets. I was working there at the time. And when I asked what’s going on, they said: this is not ours, the Bulgarian peasants were forbidden to produce and sell our tomatoes and peppers even in domestic markets. They did the same in Hungary, Moldova, Ukraine:

• About the current Russian-Turkish relations. if the Russians could not talk to the Turks and prevent them from supporting Ukraine, the situation of the Russians would be very difficult. Even now, Russians should have good relations with Turkey. But the Turks are in the hands of the Americans, and as soon as they feel that the West is getting stronger, they will immediately come out against the Russians. The Russians know this very well. But there are officials in the Russian diplomatic and political circles who always have a pro-Turkish position.

• A society that is powerless and has abandoned its values ​​always becomes a sacrificial lamb, and they will do whatever they want with it. If day by day you lose your faith, history for a piece of kebab, what difference does it make if you have a state or not?:

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