168 TVs՝ “Zara has a question” the guest of the program Diaspora Armenian businessman, global energy and security expert, economist, writer Vahan Zanoyan is.

In the conversation, Vahan Zanoyan referred to the messages conveyed by the authorities: peace agendas, the ideology of “real” Armenia, the prospect of synchronization with TRIPP and the Turkish-Azerbaijani energy systems, as well as the possibility of the return of Armenian prisoners illegally held in Baku, the processes launched against the church and other internal and external challenges.

– The yellow map symbol of “Real Armenia” is ordered by Pashinyan to the citizens during the undeclared pre-election campaign. In your opinion, is this a sign of pragmatism, as the authorities convince us, or the helplessness of the authorities, which they convey to the citizens with the vision of depriving us of our historical dreams and national values?

– That which is easily bent cannot be cut. our entire foreign policy is about bending so as not to be cut off. They make more concessions than necessary to avoid a new war.

According to me, the ideology of “real” Armenia is not only a pragmatic policy to avoid the next war, but it is about changing the collective consciousness and memory of the entire Armenian people in a radical way.

If we look at this ideology in detail, there are many truths, for example, the state is indeed an absolute value, but it starts with the truth, and after these truths come such conclusions that are absurd: it is said: the state is the motherland, yes, but only the state is the motherland, that is, whatever is outside of that 29740.3 km2, any historical or present value, memory, consciousness, national courts, has nothing to do with that motherland and that state.

– Why do they separate the nation, the motherland, the state?

– Our biggest crisis today has separated national interests and agenda from state interests and agenda. I have been a security consultant to different countries for 35 years and I have not met a single successful country where national interests are separated from state interests to such an extent.

There is nothing like this in the world, in any place, in any country. even Turkey does not have this.

Preventing war is a smart thing to do, but if we need to take some steps to prevent that war, we take 15,000 times more of those steps. that is the problem, and in the long term we are creating new dangers.

– In other words, there are more concessions than there should be?

– There are much more than there should be. For example, what does it matter to say that we do not pursue historical justice? It is a different thing to say that we are chasing historical justice, we are demanding our lands, but why say that we don’t need to, we are not persecuting, let’s not talk about the Genocide.

– They say that it is not our priority, but yesterday in the context of Artsakh, when Pashinyan had a briefing, he mentioned that it is harmful to talk about the “ethnic cleansing” of Artsakh.

– Now I have the impression. that every policy or strategy that is adopted in Yerevan today is the result of mere fear, not created with the interest of strengthening the state in the long term.

Ruling a country with fear is a very dangerous thing.

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