«Pressing” program Satik Seyranyan the guest Karen Bekaryan, political scientist, is the chairman of the board of “Hayatsk” analytical center։

The main theses of the interview are below.

• I am sorry that according to the ruling power, there are people in our society who can take meaning from Pashinyan’s statement. If the head of the state says that there will be a war without me, it means that the state does not exist. Even if we accept that he is right and there is such a thing in reality, then Pashinyan has brought the state to completion. The same man who brought Trump here as a witness on August 8th has been PRing for months that peace is guaranteed. If you say before that, guarantors, mediators do not guarantee peace, how about Trump’s participation in PR, which, as he later revealed the opposition participated only as a witness.

The same Pashinyan announced during the 44-day war that Turkey has come to finish the Armenian Genocide. What happened now, did Turkey promise itself, did it swear that there would be no more war, or did it say that there is already peace, so what kind of war are we talking about? 

We are now dealing with a government, a political force that came to power in 2018, in 2020 we had a war, in 2021 he was re-elected, on the 23rd there was the ethnic cleansing of Artsakh, various military operations, again victims, invasions of the territories of Armenia, now he has come again and says to be elected so that there will be no war. This is the most humiliating treatment imaginable towards one’s own people. This has put people on their asses. with what plan did he come to power, and what is he doing now? do they intersect with each other? they don’t have. He experiments on people and says he is learning. As a result of your studies, people die, disasters occur, we experience territorial losses… If we read something like this about other countries, we will not believe it.…

• 2023 after the cases of forced displacement, Azerbaijan made a very transparent leak about the fact that the Armenian authorities were informed about what happened. It has not been denied to this day:

• You tell the public that there is peace, there is no war. A little later, you say to the same public: “Don’t be me, they will start a war.” Did you decide with Aliyev, did you decide with each other?

• In Armenia, we have a situation where external forces are involved in our internal agenda, in the form of Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, US Vice President JD Vance. The European community is holding a summit in Yerevan right before the elections, don’t they understand what they are doing? This is nothing but interference in the internal affairs of another state: But Ornibu speak of hybrid attacks. Where are you, where is democracy? You have turned Armenia into chaos, what kind of market is it? These are facts and the public should try to deal with this.  

• There is a certain amount of hysteria that is born of fear. Neither he nor Aliyev have any complications. They say what they want… Lack of sophistication has led to red lines being crossed a long time ago. In other words, it is possible to have a process on the blood of thousands of people, and then say that I made a mistake. People used to say, “Artsakh is Armenia, and that’s it,” now they say, “Artsakh is Azerbaijan, and that’s it.” Where can there be a belief that tomorrow he will not say: “So much of Armenia is Armenia, so much is Azerbaijan”:

• Today, Europe, as a set of political associations, is in a rather serious state of turmoil, it may be divided in general. US-Europe security rifts have caused quite serious crises in Europe. In addition, at the decision-making level, the EU is a catastrophically slow body. There are extreme anti-Russians among European political elites, and anyone who crosses their line becomes the apple of their eye. But there is also a section that is catastrophically tired of the Zelenskys, and anyone who can create the state that Zelensky created becomes a thorn in their side. To say that there is a sign of respect for the Armenian government in Europe, of course there is none. because apart from today’s realities, there is the so-called institutional memory in Europe. They certainly haven’t forgotten in Europe that Pashinyan complained about the amount of financial support given by the Europeans, he said: “What kind of money is that? If I put it in the pocket of an oligarch, that much money will be poured out.” We have a European public that is in shock, because what the European elites are doing hits their pockets, and this brings with it quite serious opposition to the authorities of their countries. Conventionally speaking, this creates good opportunities for right-wing forces carrying a national ideology in Europe during elections.

• If some part of our society thinks that in the medium term the European wing has a hint of respect for our government, they are sorely mistaken. Sooner or later the perception will come in Europe, because this is a hotbed of new headaches. When Europeans raise their bowed heads, they will see something completely different.

• When you destroy your foundation, it doesn’t go unnoticed. Europe has destroyed its foundation by abandoning national and real values ​​in favor of political interests. You can be patted on the head under the political, but the political is in a very serious conflict with the civilized, and this must be taken into account.

• USA entered our region with TRIPP. The same Trump says about our region in one of his interviews: this is Putin’s territory. Seeing this, what should the European think, the European for whom we are in the same area? This becomes another source of conflict for him, which they do not need at all. Today’s political agendas are rattling, experiencing a crisis.

• An artificial impression is created that this government of Armenia is pro-Western, that it allegedly came to free us from the Russian yoke and lead us to a bright future. Dear people, why do you think so? Isn’t there a different reality beyond the statements: we stayed in the CSTO, we stayed in the EAEU, the Russian military base is located in Armenia. So what’s that base doing here if you’re afraid of hybrid attacks? You are talking about TRIPP, where is your contract? is In fact, it was a PR campaign that needed the participation of high-ranking people to be taken seriously. In other words, his anti-Russian speech and reality are on a different level. But this does not mean that they are pro-Russian, they are pro-President:

• TRIPP is discussed with Azerbaijan, it is talked about in Azerbaijan more than it is interpreted or explained there, but at the same time there is no document with legal force.

• US Vice President Vance says here that we have finished the negotiations with Armenia regarding nuclear modular reactors, 3-4 days pass, one of the members of the RA government says that we have not decided with which country we will do the modular reactors. Could this have been one of the sufficient reasons not to sign the document later? Could the USA say, “Are you putting us in a crazy place too? I sent a vice president, you signed a document, and then you say, ‘We don’t know with whom we will do the modular project.'”:

• In order to help Nikol Pashinyan in the elections, the European bureaucracy can afford to declare that we are liberalizing the visa regime during the European Summit or afterwards, and then cancel it under any pretext after the elections. Our society needs to keep this in mind:

• The European community is rattling within itself, and how it will get out of this situation is hard to say. In Europe, there are serious opponents and extreme opponents of Turkey’s EU membership, because there are still fears among the European communities that by becoming a member of the EU, Turkey will spread its politics, its discussion and culture to larger territories in Europe, and it is not Turkey that will become European, but Europe that will become Turkish. They have the same fears of the Russians. Today’s Europe is not ready to take a serious step. 

• The behavior of this government is not adequate in any matter, therefore, it could not be expected that they could be adequate in the matter of Iran. We are right next door to Iran, and God forbid, if a ground operation starts, what could happen to us? 

• The authorities of Azerbaijan are now trying not to make unnecessary statements about Iran, to wait, and this is the right decision, otherwise the consequences could be disastrous.

• There is an expectation from the opposition political forces that they will first be able to request and receive their own vote and not harm each other in the process. And let’s hope that this government will not lead Armenia to another irreversible turning point in the 2 months before the elections. 

• Is this government behaving and behaving in such a way that one can hope for clean and fair electoral processes? There is 2021 election experience, when the opposition fell into the same trap.

• We’ve gotten a public in recent years that is easy to mislead like this. One should care enough for one’s own state to try to bring the truth to everyone to the end. You have to try to explain the reality to people.

Details in the video.