Woeful fate of Armenian heritage in Georgia

news.am, Armenia
Nov 21 2009

Woeful fate of Armenian heritage in Georgia

17:48 / 11/19/2009The domed Saint Gevorg of Mughni Church in Tbilisi
(built 1356) collapsed yesterday night (Nov. 19) in the Old Tbilisi
part of the city, reads the release of Georgian eparchy of Armenian
Apostolic Church. The document mainly says:

`There was a large dome in the centre and three smaller one of which
was a belfry. The documents dated 1763 mention the church as one of
seven Armenian churches in Tbilisi of Armenian eparchy. In 1789, a
bell tower was constructed in the west wing of the church. Persians
plundered the church in 1795 however owing to monk-priest Grigor
Ter-Shmavoyan, some church utensils was saved. Partial renovation of
Mughni St. Gevorg took place in 1852-1993. Teacher and editor
Nikoghayos Khorotyan, benefactor Barsegh Hovsepyan-Khodjayants and
clergy were buried in the church yard.

Mother See of Holy Etchimadzin and Georgian eparchy of AAC have
repeatedly requested Georgian authorities, Patriarch’s office, and
international organizations to return the Mughni St. Gevorg church
along with other five Armenian churches. The problem has been
addressed by media however, Georgian leadership keep ignoring the
issue. Georgian Patriarch’s office presented an argument that it
considers the churches disputable and that is why they cannot be
returned. It should be mentioned that Mughni St. Gevorg is the second
church that has been demolished in Georgia, the first was destroyed in
1989.

We assert that Georgian Ministry of culture and heritage preservation
is totally responsible for the developments ` as churches were on the
ministerial balance. It seems Georgian Patriarchy and the authorities
decided to demolish the cultural monuments instead of considering the
issue of their preservation and return.’

BAKU: Turkish-Armenian protocols sent to Armenia constitutional cour

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Nov 21 2009

Turkish-Armenian protocols sent to Armenian constitutional court

21 November 2009 [09:45] – Today.Az

Protocols signed with Turkey were sent to the Armenian constitutional
court three days ago, Panorma.am reported.

Chief of the administration of constitutional court Arushan Akopyan
said the court would convene plenary meeting within 20 days to
schedule hearing on the protocols.

`If the court can not pass decision, the issue can be postponed for
another ten days. The court should schedule hearing after one-month
period or to send the protocols back. The plenary session will decide
whether to hold open or closed hearing’.

If the constitutional court decides the protocols are in accordance
with the Constitution, they will be sent to the parliament.

/APA/

URL:

http://www.today.az/news/politics/57661.html

ANKARA: US expert links Obama’s success to role of Turkey

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Nov 21 2009

US expert links Obama’s success to role of Turkey

The success of US President Barack Obama’s foreign policy hinges on
Turkey’s role, said Walter Russell Mead, a senior fellow at the New
York-based Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), during a seminar held
at the US Embassy residence in Ankara on Thursday.

Mead, one of the America’s leading foreign policy experts, who has
been described by The New York Times Book Review as `one of the
country’s liveliest thinkers about America’s role in the world," told
the select group in attendance that `Turkey has a role to play in
whether or not President Obama’s initiative [of reaching out to the
Muslim world] will be seen as a success.’

Stressing that Turkey has influence in the region, Mead said Turkey
has the ability to help President Obama appear as a successful leader
in the eyes of his critics, `We can hope that the Turkish initiative
in the region will complement and supplement what America is trying to
do and lead to the kind of stable and peaceful Middle Eastern order
that does not depend on a large American presence or high-profile
American leadership.’

Calling Obama’s foreign policy approach Jeffersonian — a term coined
after US President Thomas Jefferson, who advocated strict limits on
foreign policy engagement by removing conflict points in global issues
— Mead said, `I would say that in this case Turkish national
interests and the interests of Jeffersonians in the US are closely
aligned.’ `When Jeffersonians succeed, they make lasting changes. When
they fail, they are generally replaced by someone who tries to undo
what they have accomplished,’ he added.

Mead, who describes himself as a lifelong Democrat, praised Obama’s
approach to foreign policy, saying Obama can leave a lasting legacy
just like the Monroe Doctrine in the 19th century or the containment
policy adopted by the US during the Cold War. According to Mead,
Obama’s speeches in Ankara and Cairo, where he tried to reach out to
the Muslim world, were very important. `He tried hard to reposition
the US with Islam in order to remove conflict points and to find a
common ground,’ he underlined.

US needs Turkey more then ever
Mead went on saying that Turkey is one of a very small number of
countries in the world that are more important to the US today than 10
or 20 years ago. He acknowledged, however, that Turkey and its
neighborhood are a much more complicated place today than it was 20
years ago. `The US-Turkish cooperation is more important. We need each
other more today than 20 years ago,’ he emphasized.

The American scholar also noted that the US is absolutely committed to
the idea that PKK [the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party] is a
terrorist organization. `I am not aware of any shortcoming in
US-Turkish cooperation on that issue,’ he said. Mead praised the
Turkish engagement in northern Iraq and said, `From a US viewpoint,
the development of strong economic and political ties between Turkey
and authorities in northern Iraq is a very positive sign for everybody
concerned in order to bring stability in Iraq.’

On Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Mead argued that Iranian nuclear weapons
would make all existing problems in the region worse. `It will not
help solve any of the problems we have in the Middle East. It will
narrow the range of choices for any American president.’ He noted that
any nuclear test in Iran would have fallout in the US and may put the
entire Obama foreign policy approach into question.

Turkey’s foreign policy is commendable
Commenting on recent Turkish foreign policy engagement, the CFR
scholar said Turkey has played a very constructive and positive role.
`Turkey has continued to look for positive ways forward on the
Armenian question and the Cyprus question. Turkey has showed
commendable flexibility in dealing with the Kurdish situation in Iraq,
for example. Turkey’s approach to the EU strikes me as solid, mature,
and sound in every way.’ `Overall, Turkey remains very stable and very
important, a solid citizen in this part of the world,’ he added.

On Turkey’s relations with Israel, Mead said he hopes Turkey would be
able to retain Israel’s trust to continue as a mediator between Israel
and Syria. Calling the mediation role a `difficult vocation,’ he made
the point that Turkey’s long-term strategic interests calls for it to
maintain this kind of unique position in the region and in the world,
as a place where everyone can come and feel that they will be
understood. He criticized, however, the Israeli side for being
premature. `In my opinion, criticism from Israel against Turkey is
coming too fast,’ he said.

On secularism, the American scholar suggested that Turkey needs to
write its own chapter on relations between state and religion. Noting
that there are different models in the West regulating the affairs of
church and state, he provided examples from countries including
Argentina, where the president until 1994 by law had to be Roman
Catholic, as opposed to Great Britain, which prohibits royals from
converting to Catholicism.

He said that though Turkey modeled its secularism on the French
experience, which calls for a hostile attitude to all religions and
public manifestations of religion, unlike France there was no
hierarchal single religious entity in Turkey. `I would suggest looking
at Western historical experiences, as there are many different ways of
doing this,’ he said.

`Let historians sort out Armenian claims’
Mead also voiced strong opposition of any resolution recognizing
Armenian killings during World War I as `genocide’ in the US Congress.
`I would be painfully surprised if a bill on that subject passed both
houses and was signed by the president,’ he said, adding that he would
be opposed to such a resolution. He also expressed the opinion that
the French law recognizing the Armenian genocide should be repealed as
well.

He continued: `Some people describe me as a `working historian.’ I
believe in the separation of state and history. Legislative bodies
should not be issuing historical declarations. A legislative body
should not be saying this was genocide or was not genocide. Let
historians work on that, research it, argue with each other about it,
publish nasty articles repudiating other historians’ claims. Let the
general intelligence of the public over time reach their conclusion.
These kind of issues need to be separated from diplomatic relations,
which are complicated enough already.’

He criticized former US President George W. Bush’s notion of exporting
democracy and said, `The progress of democracy around the world
probably depends more on domestic political forces in other
countries.’ He stressed that the US has been more hostile to Iran than
to any other nation, yet there are few countries today that have as
vibrant a democratic movement as Iran. `Countries move in their own
way and respond to domestic issues,’ he said, adding to that, `I think
President Bush looks back at his support for democracy as something
that was not as successful as he would have hoped.’

21 November 2009, Saturday
ABDULLAH BOZKURT ANKARA

ANKARA: Armenia says no further talks unless protocols ratified

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Nov 21 2009

Armenia says no further talks with Turkey unless protocols ratified

Armenia and Turkey will hold no further major negotiations unless the
national parliaments of the two countries ratify two protocols on
normalization of bilateral relations, an Armenian Foreign Ministry
official was quoted as saying yesterday.

Ministry spokesman Tigran Balayan told RFE/RL’s Armenian service that
`we are now waiting for the ratification, as each country has its own
ratification procedures.’

Turkey and Armenia signed the two protocols on Oct. 10 in Zurich to
reopen their borders, closed since 1993, and restore diplomatic
relations. The documents need to be ratified in the Turkish and
Armenian parliaments to enter into force. But Turkish leaders have
suggested that their parliament is unlikely to ratify the agreements
without a breakthrough in international efforts to resolve the
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Armenia rejects any linkage between efforts to normalize relations
with Turkey and the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. The presidents of
Armenia and Azerbaijan are to hold talks on Sunday on
Nagorno-Karabakh, raising hopes for progress in 15-year efforts to
resolve the conflict.

The French Foreign Ministry, in a statement it issued on Thursday,
said Armenia’s Serzh Sarksyan and Azerbaijan’s Ilham Aliyev would meet
on Sunday at the French Consulate in Munich.

The negotiations are led by a trio of mediators from the United
States, Russia and France working under the Organization for Security
and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The Munich meeting will be the sixth
this year, an intensity fuelling speculation about a possible
breakthrough. Mediators say they are making progress, but diplomats
caution that neither side appears ready to commit to difficult
concessions and sell them to their people.

21 November 2009, Saturday
TODAY’S ZAMAN WITH WIRES İSTANBUL

Protocols Submitted to Armenia’s Constitutional Court

Protocols Submitted to Armenia’s Constitutional Court
By Asbarez Staff
Nov 20th, 2009

YEREVAN (Yerkir Media) – The Armenia-Turkey protocols were submitted by
President Serzh Sarkisian’s office to Armenia’s Constitutional Court
three days ago, reported Court Chief of Staff Aroushan Hakopyan.

A full-court session must be convened within 20 days to determine a
hearing date for the protocols, Hakopian explained. If within the
20-day time frame a consensus is not reached, the decision to convene
a hearing is extended by 10 additional days. If a month passes from
the time of submission and a decision is not reached, the protocols
must be returned to the President’s office or the court must decide on
further discussions.

The same full-court is also tasked with ruling on the
constitutionality of the protocols, added Hakopian.

The court administrator was unable to say whether the hearings would
be closed or open to the public.

Evidently, the ruling Republican Party parliamentary bloc chairman
Galust Sahakian was unaware about the protocols having been submitted
to the court. Responding to press inquiries on the possibility of the
protocols never being submitted, Sahakian told reporters that Armenia
will be advancing the ratification process through an
already-announced approach, which Sahakian explained was for the
Turkish parliament to first ratify the documents.

He explained that the border cannot open by only the Armenian side’s
ratification.

ANKARA: The way to peace

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
Nov 20 2009

The way to peace

Friday, November 20, 2009
HASAN CEMAL

BOSTON ` The Sevan Bakery is located in Watertown, where the Armenian
population is high. As you enter the store, you feel as if you are in
a grocery store in Anatolia.

Harry’s father is from Bünyan in Kayseri, a central Anatolian
province. `I was born in this house. My dear father was sitting
beneath this tree and thinking about the homeland. We were eating the
best pastrami,’ he says, pointing at a photograph.

Zadik, Varujan, Armenians in Istanbul… They are a total different story.

When I was about to wrap up my speech at a sports arena in Watertown,
during a panel organized by the Friends of Hrant Dink, a tall, old man
with gray hair and a beard approached me. He had liked my speech. The
man was from Bünyan, Kayseri.

He spoke without letting go of my hand after the handshake:

`I was in primary school in Bünyan. I think it was 1942 or 1943. There
were flag ceremonies at school. I enjoyed these ceremonies. One day I
wanted to hold the flag. But the headmaster didn’t allow me. `You are
not a Turk, you cannot hold it,’ he said. I was so offended that I’ve
never forgotten this story. My heart was broken. Toward the end of the
1950s, we moved here…’

As a journalist, I try to write people’s stories so that they are able
to pour their hearts out, to penetrate each other’s lives and to
understand each other’s pain and sorrow, so that, I think, we can live
in a better world. But having a dialogue is not easy. It is difficult.
I know that the pains of the Armenians are deep. Especially in the
diaspora, the feeling gets deeper… Such sorrow shouldn’t lock them
in the past, but some Armenians are living in the past.

It is as though they don’t want to open the door to the future. That
feeling should be defeated. On Monday evening, as we were in a
discussion session following the panel at Harvard, a handsome young
man took his turn. He said that he is a Turk from the city of Denizli
and is studying economics.

`I see, I understand, that my ancestors did terrible things to
Armenians in the past… But what do they want from me today?’ he
said. Laughter broke out in the hall.

The question this naïve and sincere young man asked actually
underlined the facts about Turkey. Turks are unaware of the Armenian
question, just like they are of the Kurdish conflict. They are in the
dark.

This is the way they have been taught. Some problems are kept from
them. For this reason, I believe, everyone should light a candle and
look into the dark instead of cursing the darkness.

That’s why I place importance on dialogue and cultural dialogue
programs. That’s why the Friends of Hrant Dink association established
in Washington is so important. During the book-signing event at the
arena, someone asked: `Will Turkey accept the genocide?’

Another added: `Will Turkey give a piece of land?’

Yet another one continued: `If there hadn’t been any ASALA, the
Armenian question wouldn’t have been on the agenda. We couldn’t get
anywhere with peaceful demonstrations.’

I remember another question from a conversation at Harvard:

`We are moderate Armenians. You tell us, would it be better or worse
if the genocide bill is adopted in the U.S. Congress?’

There is more than one diaspora!

Conversations and the questions asked have revealed this. There are
many Armenian diasporas. The common denominator is, without a doubt,
`genocide.’ However, they have serious differences of opinion on how
they should deal with Turkey and which direction they should take.
Hrant Dink’s death and developments such as the Turkish apology
campaign have made them confused. The diaspora seems confused and
split.

For instance, some of them have placed a great deal of importance in
the protocols signed between Turkey and Armenia in Zurich last month,
while some have reservations and some completely refute them. That’s
OK. Change is not easy!

Turks will change too. So will Armenians. This is a painful process.
In order to feel less pain, in order to facilitate the process, we
must have plenty of discussions. We have no other way but to stare
into each other’s eyes and communicate if we want to transform the
dark into daylight… The past will, of course, not be forgotten.

But we cannot bury ourselves into the past if we want to build a peace
for the future. Let’s not forget: The path to peace and democracy
involves destroying some walls…

* Hasan Cemal is a columnist for daily Milliyet, in which this piece
appeared Friday. It was translated into English by the Daily News.

ANKARA: Turkey eyes progress in NK to move forward with Armenia

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
Nov 20 2009

Turkey eyes progress in Karabakh to move forward with Armenia

Friday, November 20, 2009
SERKAN DEMİRTAÅ?
ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News

Armenian President Serge Sarkisian (R) shakes hands with his
Azerbaijani counterpart Ilham Aliyev during their meeting in October.
AFP photo

Turkey has said it is hopeful that Armenia and Azerbaijan will make
progress toward resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict,
facilitating an imminent normalization of relations between regional
foes Ankara and Yerevan.

`The technical work was completed with regard to the corridors linking
Armenia to Karabakh. We are informed of the progress [regarding the
negotiations],’ a senior Turkish diplomat told the Hürriyet Daily News
& Economic Review.

The leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan, Serge Sarkisian and Ilham
Aliyev, are expected to meet Sunday at the French consulate in Munich,
Germany. It will be the eighth presidential meeting since Turkey and
Armenia began reconciliatory talks.

In addition to this meeting, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet DavutoÄ?lu
and his Armenian counterpart Edward Nalbandian are also expected to
meet in Athens, Greece, on the sidelines of the ministerial meeting of
the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe, or OSCE.

Turkey and Armenia signed two protocols Oct. 10 but have not yet
initiated ratification of them at either parliament. Turkey submitted
the protocols to its Parliament, but Armenia is still trying to pass
them through the constitutional court. `I do not think that one could
press Turkey at this moment when Armenia has still not submitted them
to parliament,’ the senior diplomat said.

For Turkey, the condition to go ahead with the protocols is progress
in the Nagorno-Karabakh talks.

`There are important developments,’ the senior diplomat said, adding
that a technical delegation had completed an exploration of the Lachin
Corridor, a mountain pass within the official borders of Azerbaijan
that is the shortest route connecting Armenia with Nagorno-Karabakh.
`Its status and how to provide its security are important matters to
be solved.’

DavutoÄ?lu held a telephone conversation with his Azerbaijani
counterpart Elmar Mammadyarov last week and was informed about the
talks. The co-chairmen of the OSCE’s Minsk Group held meetings last
week in Yerevan and Baku. Mammadyarov is expected to pay a visit to
Ankara next month.

`The public is aware that there will be no further steps taken unless
there is progress on the Karabakh issue,’ DavutoÄ?lu said Tuesday at
Parliament while defending his ministry’s budget. `We are now
expecting concrete results [out of the negotiations].’

The three things Turkey expects are the withdrawal of Armenian troops
from the seven regions surrounding the Nagorno-Karabakh province and
the return of the Azerbaijani people who were expelled from their
homeland; clearer definition of the status of the corridor and how its
security would be assured; and, lastly, the reaching of an interim
agreement.

For Turkish diplomats, there are no additional obstacles before the
two parties being able to shake hands in the near future. `Talking
about deadlines is not always productive, but everyone is aware of the
need to accelerate the process,’ another Turkish diplomat said.

`Who knows, maybe Armenia’s borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan will be
opened simultaneously,’ the diplomat added.

According to DavutoÄ?lu, simultaneous rapprochement between Turkey and
Armenia and Armenia and Azerbaijan would be the best formula for
reaching a comprehensive settlement in the southern Caucasus.

ANKARA: Peace processes

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
Nov 20 2009

Peace processes

Friday, November 20, 2009
CENGİZ AKTAR

Perhaps, it’s better to name all ongoing initiatives under `peace
processes’ without giving any specific ethnic or political status to
them. Because, this is the first time that Turkey is genuinely trying
to pronounce the word `peace.’ It has been either blabbing or failing
to pronounce it correctly or having a hard time to say it or going
back to the only language it knows in view of speaking the language of
peace correctly. Clumsiness is the case everywhere, society, state or
politics. Indeed it is not easy to rid of century-old problems, deep
wounds that are hard to heal and serious heartbreaks. This is a period
when utmost patience, conscience as much as logic are required. But
there is a group refuting the use of the language of peace. That,
languages of the Republican People’s Party, or CHP, and the
Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, in a way to show which is better
in warmongering during the historical plenary hearing in the
Parliament last week about the `Kurdish opening.’

You all heard CHP deputy Onur Ã-ymen’s chilling remarks indeed during
the first hearing held on Nov. 10:

`Unfortunately, mothers in this country have cried a lot. We have lost
many soldiers throughout history. We lost 200,000 in the Ã?anakkale
[Dardanelles] War. None came forward and said `Don’t let mothers cry.
Let’s forget about this war.’ Did mothers not cry during the War of
Independence? Did mothers not cry in the Sheik Said revolt? Did
mothers not cry in the Dersim revolt? Did mothers not cry in Cyprus?
Did anyone say `Mothers should cry no more? Let’s have a deal with the
Greeks. But unfortunately you are saying this because you don’t have
the guts to fight the terror.’ In a sort of disclaimer Ã-ymen announced
in the aftermath of his `historical’ remarks, probably due to his
referral to the Dersim massacre and due to fears of losing votes as he
implicitly targeted Alevis, the CHP deputy said: `As I said in my
speech, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk disagreed with the method of negotiating
with armed terror organizations as the Justice and Development Party
[or AKP] seems to favor. In the Republican period, indeed, Atatürk had
never negotiated with any armed groups revolting against the state.’

CHP’s `political commissioner’ is right though. Despite important
remarks, Mustafa Kemal made at the İzmir Economy Congress in 1923
regarding the process through which human communities move away from
destructive fights to peaceful and productive activities, a peaceful
mindset has had difficulties to settle in this lands. The same goes
for Atatürk’s famous quote, `Peace at home, peace in the world.’ Just
like for Mustafa Kemal and for almighty elites of the time, all wars
Ã-ymen listed in his speech are weighing equally. It doesn’t make a
difference if you fight against the British or French in the
Dardanelles or Alevis and Kurds in Dersim. You are fighting the enemy,
because these were considered as enemies of that community (Turks)
trying to become a nation. Or as Ziya Gökalp said once, `This state
needs a nation,’ every other entity going against the description of
that nation was and is an `enemy.’

War lobby’s stakes

The problem is that the CHP-MHP duo is doing politics today with a
mindset of those years. In fact, they are doing politics as the
representatives of a `war lobby.’ In that sense, they are extremist
political parties. When it comes to peace processes, we have plenty of
signs that they will do everything in their power to prevent steps to
be taken, let alone providing support. We haven’t heard anything new
during parliamentary sessions other than a command like `The PKK must
lay down arms’ and a recommendation other than the CHP’s 20-year-old
Kurdish report, which has been sent to the paper basket long time ago
by the CHP itself. The empire of fear built by the parliamentary
opposition in this country has any place neither in Turkey nor in its
new posture as a regional power, neither in the world conjuncture
today nor in Turkish society’s expectations of peace and calm.

However, attitude of the CHP-MHP duo sets ongoing initiatives to an
extremely sensitive ground and makes public support vital. The AKP’s
move to explain the initiatives to the public is crucially important.
The Interior Minister, during his presentation to Parliament on Nov.12
qualified the ongoing initiative as part of an overall democratic move
intending to bring more freedom to everyone. This new paradigm is
indeed essential to convince citizens who are against the singling out
of Kurds only when the government utters the words `democracy’ and
`freedom.’

Along the same line, steps to be taken abroad are equally critical. We
should read relations newly established with the Regional Kurdish
Administration in northern Iraq in this direction because these
problems are external and cross-border as much as they are domestic.
Since the early days of the Republican period these problems were
usually tried to be solved by war and law enforcement solely. In other
words, if the `Kurdish initiative’ and opening towards Armenia are not
supported by the Greek/Cypriot-Greek initiative, one of three legs of
the trivet will be missing. And there, the imbalance may encourage
those who are eager to block other initiatives. At this point, the
importance of a full fledge initiative, of which we have heard just
rumors so far, to tackle all existing discords between Turkey and
Greece, starting with the Cyprus question, is obviously crucial.

ANKARA: If Dersim was a massacre, what was the other thing?

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
Nov 20 2009

If Dersim was a massacre, what was the other thing?

Friday, November 20, 2009
ERTUÄ?RUL Ã-ZKÃ-K

One of the things we have been talking over is this: Will the
Republican People’s Party, or CHP, lose votes because of Onur Ã-ymen’s
remarks over the Dersim revolt?

Discussions over the incident are taking a different turn, a turn for
settling scores in internal politics. I am not fond of Ã-ymen as a
politician. I have criticized him a lot in the past. And I believe his
recklessness in this incident harms the CHP.

Still, I cannot help myself but ask the following question: Is the
ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, benefiting from this
ongoing discussion as Ã-ymen continues to harm the CHP?

Let’s make a self-criticism here. Look and see what kind of situations
we have to be ready for in the discussions over the Dersim revolt:

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip ErdoÄ?an chose the words `Dersim massacre’
as he was criticizing Ã-ymen’s remarks during a plenary session in
Parliament. Mr. Prime Minister had issued a statement recently over
the `Darfur massacre.’ He had said, `Muslims don’t commit massacre…’
(According to some sources, he did not say `don’t commit¦’ but `cannot
commit¦’) Who, then, bombed out caves and cut the throats of Alevi
Kurds in Dersim?

Were they `Christian Turks?’

The first beneficial result of the `Dersim’ debate is this: That means
Muslims do commit, or can commit, massacre. Then we have to take the
second step:

We shouldn’t withhold a similar categorization for the events in
Darfur. If the Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir gets offended, we
have an excuse in foreign policy then:

`Look my friend! I do call what my own people commit `massacre’ so
don’t be offended by my remarks.’

Let’s move on to the bigger issue now: Turkey has tremendously
benefited from Ã-ymen’s unfortunate remarks over the Dersim revolt.
Even I didn’t know enough about the Dersim incident, but I have
learned now.

Let me make a confession here: I thought that it was one of the 28
suppressions of Kurdish revolts. But now I’m reading books about
Dersim. But I haven’t been able to get one answer yet: How many people
died in the Dersim incident?

I have checked the figures; somewhere between 7,000 and 90,000 people
were killed: The second question is this: If the killing of
7,000-90,000 is a `massacre,’ according to even the most official
voice, what then will we call the losses in the Armenian question?

According to Armenian allegations, a total of 1.5 million were killed
in 1915. But let’s say the death toll was 600,000. How many times more
of those who were killed in Dersim? If the number of dead in Dersim
was 7,000, it is 200 times more; if 90,000 then 17 times more. Yes, if
the Dersim incident was a massacre, then what was the Armenian
incident?

Is it called a big massacre, a huge one or a tremendous mass-killing?
As this question is posed to the top authority in Turkey, what will be
the `official answer?’ He will probably say `Don’t be hard on
yourself. There is a universal term used for that and it starts with
`so-called’.’

The Dersim debate in Parliament means we are refusing our `official
history theses.’ That’s fine, but how will we get by with adopting an
unofficial political language at home and an official language abroad?

Politicians exploiting the Dersim revolt for electoral should focus on
this, too.

My last word is this: Ã-ymen’s remarks weren’t too clever. But it may
not be a good thing to use them as political gimmicks.

If we successfully manage to reveal what was done to our own people in
Dersim, then debates over Dersim happen to be extremely useful.

* Mr. ErtuÄ?rul Ã-zkök is the editor-in-chief of daily Hürriyet in which
this piece appeared Friday. It was translated into English by the
Daily News staff.

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ANKARA: French teacher insists Turkish student accept genocide

Today’s Zaman, Turkey
Nov 21 2009

French teacher insists Turkish student accept genocide

A news piece published in Today’s Zaman this week has reverberated in
France as the drama continues to unfold around the case of a student
in France suspended from school for refusing to deign to his teacher’s
insistence he recognize an alleged genocide against Armenians.

The controversy centers around 13-year-old French student of Turkish
descent Mustafa DoÄ?an. DoÄ?an’s history teacher asked a question about
the events of 1915 and the `Armenian genocide’ in a written exam.
Having previously argued with the teacher over the issue, the Turkish
student became angry and wrote, `Even if it did happen, they deserved
it.’ DoÄ?an told Today’s Zaman his teacher threatened to give him a
zero on the exam if he denied the genocide. The school principal
phoned the student’s father, who said that there was no law
stipulating punishment for those who denied the so-called genocide.
Following the quarrel, the school’s disciplinary committee suspended
DoÄ?an for two days and gave him an assignment in which he was to
recognize the validity of the genocide within two days, despite his
apology for his comment about Armenians deserving their fate. The
homework was to be titled `Armenian Genocide Committed by the Ottoman
Empire: A Crime against Humanity.’

Following the emergence of the events, members of the Armenian
diaspora in France have sprung into action, urging immediate passage
of a draft bill pending in the Senate that would make it a crime to
deny the alleged genocide. The school principal had told Today’s Zaman
and also Turkish association COJEP International, which is following
the case closely, that the student’s punishment was given not because
of his denial of the alleged genocide but because of the phrase he had
used regarding Armenians `deserving’ whatever happened to them. But
when DoÄ?an submitted an assignment describing the concept of genocide
in general terms and including an apology for his statement, his
teacher rejected it, saying the student needs to submit an assignment
researching the historical context of the `genocidal’ events, writing
a detailed list of how many people were killed and how it was
organized, meeting with genocide survivors, stating that he recognizes
the genocide and focusing on militant Turks who committed the
genocide.

COJEP head Veysel Filiz told Today’s Zaman that DoÄ?an’s teacher’s
insistence in regard to the incident and the homework assignment is
not understandable given that the offense committed by DoÄ?an has been
retracted; even his father, Mehmet DoÄ?an, described his child’s usage
of the phrase a mistake.

21 November 2009, Saturday
ALI İHSAN AYDIN PARIS